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    Eviction threat for Australians puts life savings at risk

    Eviction threat for Australians who put life savings into Thai dream homes
    Date November 26, 2014 - 2:44PM

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/eviction-th ... 1u7a1.html

    Melbourne retiree Daryl Davies outside the Chom Tawan residential development on Phuket's west coast. He and other buyers face eviction.
    Daryl Davies knew when he saw the luxurious homes set amid eight tropical acres with stunning sea views that this is where he wanted to spend his retirement years.

    "They are absolutely delightful," says 70-year-old Mr Davies from Melbourne, referring to a $30 million development on the pristine west coast of the Thai resort island of Phuket.

    Mr Davies, a retired commercial pilot, paid the equivalent of about $500,000 in Thai baht for his dream three-bedroom home in Chom Tawan, one of the most prestigious residential developments on Phuket.


    But a Thai court has authorised an auction of the homes of Mr Davies and more than 40 other buyers to the highest bidder if millions of dollars owed to the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) by the project developer are not repaid by a December 17 deadline.

    The plight of the buyers, many of whom have been living in the homes since they were completed seven years ago, illustrates the risks foreigners face buying real estate in Thailand, one of the most popular destinations for retiring Australians.

    Mr Davies and other buyers, including five Australian families, believed they were covering all bases before paying for what were promised to be effectively 90-year leasehold titles for the homes, including hiring lawyers to do due diligence on the property.

    Napawan Asia Limited, the developer of the Chom Tawan residential estate, owes millions to the Industrial Commercial Bank of China.

    "We never for one moment thought there would be a problem," says Mr Davies, who is married to a Thai.

    Two years ago buyers awoke to find notices pinned to their doors declaring that a Thai manufacturer had not been paid for supplying appliances to the development.

    "We were shocked. We started investigating what had happened but it only got worse, much worse," Mr Davies told Fairfax Media.

    The developer, Napawan Asia Limited, had promised that buyers who paid upfront for their houses would receive titles reflecting their freehold/leasehold ownership once the development was registered with Phuket's land department.

    "The company kept telling us everything is going nicely. It's happening, don't worry. But it went on and on," Mr Davies said.

    Catherine Gathani, a buyer from Hong Kong, said she was aware when finalising the contract for her home there was a mortgage on the land but Napawan Asia told her "this would be paid down as the buyers' stage payments were made, so that by the time the project was complete the mortgage would be fully paid".

    She said buyers only discovered several years later the company had not repaid the original mortgage and that it had given the titles of the buildings to the bank as part of a debt restructuring or remortgaging arrangement.

    Andrew Street, the British developer behind Napawan Asia, admits the company was "over-extended commercially at the commencement of the global financial crisis", which he says had a significant impact on Phuket.

    Mr Street, who has returned to live in Britain, told Fairfax Media "I have remained and still intend to deliver all that the buyers require".

    "Within weeks of this date there will be firm plans to bring this debt restructuring to a conclusion," he said. "All parties are involved in producing an agreement to achieve the buyers' requirements relating to ownership . . . we are at the final negotiations of all matters with the bank, buyers and suppliers to conclude this matter."

    But Mr Davies said attempts over recent months for a settlement between ICBC, the buyers and Napawan Asia have collapsed in acrimony.

    Under one proposal discussed by ICBC in October, the buyers would be forced to pay almost $200,000 more than their original purchase price in exchange for the bank releasing the mortgage.

    The development builder is also owed several million dollars, complicating any settlement.

    Mr Davies described the proposal as a "bridge too far" for the buyers.

    "Many of the investors are retirees who face losing most or all of their life's savings. It is an appalling situation to be in," he said. "We fear that one day soon we will all gets knocks our doors and be told to leave our homes."

    Mr Street, who bought a $1 million house in the English Midlands in August 2013 after leaving Phuket, said "certain people" have tried to personalise the issue and derail any settlement amid a myriad of legal claims and counter-claims.

    "It is not in the interest of all parties concerned for me to return to Thailand whilst in the final steps of the debt workout," he said.

    As the auction deadline nears, buyers desperate to keep their houses have asked Thailand's military rulers to intervene in the case and have taken urgent legal action to try to head off the sale of their houses.

    Mr Davies said the buyers he is speaking for have not given up hope of keeping their homes "but our position looks dire".

    He said the buyers decided to speak publicly about their plight to warn others who may be considering investing in Thai real estate.

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    Re: Eviction threat for Australians puts life savings at ris

    Shades of the Ocean 1 project in Jomtien. Still just a vacant lot ... hardly changed in years. I assume the naive 'investors' who plunked down loads of dough before a shovel-full of dirt was lifted have lost what they paid.
    Meanwhile the charming Mr Street ~ a Brit, not a Thai ~ luxuriates somewhere in the Lake Country. Did you invest Mr Lonely?

    This scam scenario plays out often in Thailand, Florida and Basingstoke.
    Just another reason why I love living in Thailand


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    Re: Eviction threat for Australians puts life savings at ris

    Fools and their money... Here and there, same same.
    Yes, grandpa, I know it used to be more fun 30 years ago...

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    Re: Eviction threat for Australians puts life savings at ris

    Quote Originally Posted by lego
    Fools and their money.
    Presumably just that.
    You would think that by the time most people acquire enough money to be thinking about a retirement home, they might just have acquired sufficient worldly wisdom to employ a reputable lawyer, ensure they have title to the properties and ask the question "what happens if the developer goes bust or runs off?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by goji
    You would think that by the time most people acquire enough money to be thinking about a retirement home, they might just have acquired sufficient worldly wisdom to employ a reputable lawyer, ensure they have title to the properties and ask the question "what happens if the developer goes bust or runs off?"
    Where's the evidence that that is indeed the case? I'd have thought there is no evidence to support this bizarre assertion. I'd be basing my decisions on "Thais are a bunch of rogues and con-men, and the rule of law doesn't, in practice, exist" concepts - but then I am not now nor ever have been "most people".

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    Re: Eviction threat for Australians puts life savings at ris

    Melbourne retiree Daryl Davies outside the Chom Tawan residential development on Phuket's west coast. He and other buyers face eviction.


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    Re: Eviction threat for Australians puts life savings at ris

    dumb asses...sinking all their cash into a develolment in a country with a known weak judicial system...a system that is based in favour of the entrenched powerful.

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    Re: Eviction threat for Australians puts life savings at ris

    Quote Originally Posted by lonelywombat
    Eviction threat for Australians who put life savings into Thai dream homes

    "They are absolutely delightful," says 70-year-old Mr Davies from Melbourne, referring to a $30 million development on the pristine west coast of the Thai resort island of Phuket.
    Mr Davies, a retired commercial pilot, paid the equivalent of about $500,000 in Thai baht for his dream three-bedroom home in Chom Tawan, one of the most prestigious residential developments on Phuket.
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    Sometimes when I read certain peoples responses I wonder if they read the original link or just type to get their names up again in lights.
    The photos which quote $500,000 but paid in Thai baht, did not give the local cost At the current exchange very loosely of 30 baht, then the purchase cost would have been 7,500,000 Thai Baht
    Smiles comment about the Ocean 1 project which was never started, has nothing to do with this completed house many years after it was completed.
    Those who have bought houses or condos in Thailand, would have a shiver go down their backs as they wonder could this happen to us.I have never been keen on Phuket but the places look wonderful.

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    Re: Eviction threat for Australians puts life savings at ris

    1. How much does it cost to rent a deluxe two-bedroom waterfront condo in Phuket? Why buy?

    2. The flip side of the above: $500K seems to be enough to buy a nice waterfront place in a warm part of Australia---unless you must have a view of the Sydney Opera House. Why take the risk? (These people strike me as married couples).

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    Re: Eviction threat for Australians puts life savings at ris

    Quote Originally Posted by Dalewood
    1. How much does it cost to rent a deluxe two-bedroom waterfront condo in Phuket? Why buy?
    Many westerners look very favourably upon property as an investment. Partially as a lot of people have made a lot of money on it in the past.
    As a result, they tend to overlook the downside risk from buying property.

    I see big problems with buying property in Thailand. We're not allowed to own the land & the judiciary doesn't exactly have a reputation for being fair.
    So renting looks like by far the better option.

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