Bali - I need mentoring

[is12is1]

Hi Guys,

I'm planning my first vist to Bali, and require mentoring on the gay sex scene.
There're two reports from 2014-5, and from these I learned the following:

The scene is much more constricted than in Thailand: no MoneyBoys in saunas; not every massage place or massuer icludes sex; if it does - it's mostly only handjobs.
Boys aplenty CAN be found in and outside gay bars.
Standard rate - $30.
No problem bringing them to hotelrooms.
MBs are Muslim Indoneese (and NOT Balenese); cut small cocks; speak Eng.

Please correct/update any misunderstandings and wrong info above.

I got the impression that in and around gay bars a lone male is approached/solicited, including sending hands to his crotch and pulling his hands to crotches.
I that so?

One post puzzled me, by suggesting that actually a smile is enough for initiating sex (no money needed).
?????

And finally, there's one post I'm sure I didn't understand.
Visiting Balenese villages, it's possible to strike up a conversation with young guys (not necessarily gays), smilingly refer to their BIG BANANAS, grope/fondle, all is welcomed.....
?????
?????

I'd be grateful for as much guidance as possible.

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Thank you,

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[fountainhall]

I'd also like to know if one tradition still continues, one I noticed when staying outside Ubud twice a year in the early-mid 1980s. Around 5:00 pm it was very common to see boys and men of all ages go to a stream or a water faucet carrying a towel. Once there, they would strip off completely and wash themselves for several minutes, no matter who might be looking at them. My little hillside hotel had no electricity but a water faucet by the little pool and a stream below. Watching these beautiful guys, mostly young, was a joy. Has the much larger inflow of tourists resulted in this no longer taking place in the view of others?

[paulo15]

Hi,
Greetings from Bali. I think some of what you've heard/read is correct however there are a few things that are incorrect imo.
"I got the impression that in and around gay bars a lone male is approached/solicited, including sending hands to his crotch and pulling his hands to crotches.
I that so?"
No, not really correct, the bars are crowded and generally Indonesians don't like to make great shows of affection or lust in public. These are not Thai go-go bars after all. Usually arrangements are made verbally and you will 'do the deed' elsewhere.
"MBs are Muslim Indoneese (and NOT Balenese); cut small cocks; speak Eng"
Again there is a huge variation in this, many MB are from Java, Sumatra etc. but not all are Muslim, there are many Christians (cut and uncut) from Flores, Borneo, Sulawesi and other islands and there are also some Balinese MB. Cock size is variable and there are some guys with large cocks, especially the Balinese, it's not all small here.
I have no idea about the Balinese village question but it does sound like your leg at the very least is being pulled on this one, plenty of flirting goes on but taking things any further would be quite insulting unless you were 100% sure the signals you were getting could be relied on.
As with many places in Asia, the apps, Romeo, Grindr, Hornet are often the easiest and safest place to hook up with local guys, most will expect payment.
Cheers

[fedssocr]

Grindr was very popular when I was there a couple of years ago

[paulo15]

Grindr was very popular when I was there a couple of years ago

It still is the most popular app here

[FarangRuMak]

I'll have to go there sometime; Grinder sounds like a fun place.

[paulo15]

I'll have to go there sometime; Grinder sounds like a fun place.

Well Grindr isn't really a place, more like heaven (or hell depending on your point of view).
Anyway, if you are using Grindr the App in Indonesia you will need to access it through a VPN as it's now one of the gay sites the Government have blocked access to, so download it before you arrive and download a VPN also.

[Nirish guy]

Well Grindr isn't really a place, more like heaven (or hell depending on your point of view).
Anyway, if you are using Grindr the App in Indonesia you will need to access it through a VPN as it's now one of the gay sites the Government have blocked access to, so download it before you arrive and download a VPN also.

Good advice, it actually took me a day or two to work out what the fuck was going on as in my hotel and on hotel wifi accessing Grindr was totally fine but yet in the bars and on their wifi etc it was VERY slow to load and only worked intermittently. I then went out and bought a local Sim card to beat this and still found it not working as normal. I eventually figured to try a VPN and all then worked as normal - the strange thing was I asked the staff in the bars (who I know well) had it been blocked by Government etc and every one of them said No and actually the bar manager was quite pleased it had been "slowed" somehow as he said that Grindr was really starting to affect the bars income ( although the bar was full most nights I was there), I had actually figured that the bars where actually reduced their available bandwidth or something perhaps to slow Grindr's use inside the bar maybe even - but no, blocked by the Government for sure ( although not very well) - so yes downloading yourself a free VPN is the way to go in Bali IF you find you need it and your access to fun is being curtailed.

[paulo15]

it was VERY slow to load and only worked intermittently. I then went out and bought a local Sim card to beat this and still found it not working as normal.

As you experienced the block is intermittent, some hotels run their wifi through a VPN or a smart DNS connection so you can still get access. The big baddy is Telkomsel the state owned telecoms company and they and their cable division - Indihome - block loads of things. Although you can still open Grindr either the pictures won't load or only limited pictures will load, what you won't get is any messages without using a VPN.
Cheers

[is12is1]

Thank you Paulo, VERY much, for your response.

Since you're apparently there now, please share as much as possible:
places, names, rates, tips, recommendations, etiquette, warnings, etc.

And maybe also some adventures.....