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Moses
Vaccination by EpiVacCorona - second Russian vaccine just started yesterday in Russia. EpiVacCorona is "old fashioned" vaccine from killed viruses, is made by "Vector" institute in Siberia. It brings lower level of immunity to users, but is more "soft" so it is safe to use for pregnant and for seniors.
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If they start selling this on-line, let me know. In the meantime, here is a great site for sputnik V.
https://sputnikvaccine.com
Congratulations to Russian medicine for being first out and maybe the best. Now would you please quit hacking our Federal Departments>
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Khor tose
Now would you please quit hacking our Federal Departments>
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Why?
Every country does espionage. Do you forgot scandal when Germany found what ANS listens Merkel? US hasn't monopoly for hacking. It is multi-polar world, you know. Bye-bye "Uncle Sam" and your monopoly, thank you mr. Snowden
By the way: in 2009 Putin offered to US agreement for to fight together with hackers around the World, Obama declined it. Now what are you waiting for ?
One more thing: do you know why White House had plan to announce sanctions against Russia at past Friday but suddenly dropped plan? They finally found, what hacker isn't Russian (in meaning "from Russia"). Google Andrey Turchin. https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdwa/pr...piracy-hacking
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Re: Russian COVID vaccine - published results
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Originally Posted by Moses
Every country does espionage. Do you forgot scandal when Germany found what ANS listens Merkel? US hasn't monopoly for hacking. It is multi-polar world, you know.
The only known “hack” by a US or US-friendly agency was the Stuxnet computer virus planted by Israel (it’s always been assumed) in Iran’s nuclear bomb-making facilities. Countries that can do it all the time we must assume.
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StevieWonders
The only known “hack” by a US or US-friendly agency was the Stuxnet computer virus planted by Israel (it’s always been assumed) in Iran’s nuclear bomb-making facilities. Countries that can do it all the time we must assume.
Are you serious?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24690055 US bugged Merkel's phone from 2002 until 2013
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24670642 Italy data 'targeted in UK-US spy operation'
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...nes-espionage/ american sniffing on communication lines
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...97E17P20130815 Edward Snowden began downloading documents describing the U.S. government’s electronic spying programs while he was working for Dell
Just fast check of "only known" shows what "only known" are quite more facts...
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I was thinking more in terms of “hostile and harmful” - you know, SOP for your chums.
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StevieWonders
I was thinking more in terms of “hostile and harmful” - you know, SOP for your chums.
Oh, uh, yeah... "friendly American espionage" and "hostile Russian espionage"? Sure-sure... by the way: what's more looks like betray - espionage from long-time-competitor or espionage from friend?
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Moses
Oh, uh, yeah... "friendly American espionage" and "hostile Russian espionage"? Sure-sure... by the way: what's more looks like betray - espionage from long-time-competitor or espionage from friend?
What do your talking points suggest?
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Re: Russian COVID vaccine - published results
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StevieWonders
What do your talking points suggest?
They suggest to read less propaganda and to start to think by own brain.
Countries without own intelligence service does not exists (while we are talking about countries of normal size, not about island with 200 citizens). Intelligence service what defecates by roses does not exists. Poisoning, torturing, killing, bribing, hacking - typical methods of any intelligence and counterintelligence service.
Complaining on results of foreign I.S. shows only one - own counterintelligence service works bad and opponent got result instead to be founded and locked in prison for exchange to own agents who failed in opponent's country.
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Originally Posted by Moses
Complaining on results of foreign I.S. shows only one - own counterintelligence service works bad and opponent got result instead to be founded and locked in prison for exchange to own agents who failed in opponent's country.
I hadn’t thought of it like that before.
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Today I got second shot.
My impressions about process: at time of the first shot clinic had 2 "conveyors" for to process vaccination: fill papers with nurse - checkup with doctor - injection with nurse - waiting 30 min under surveillance of nurse in big room in case of any allergy. Today they had already 5 "conveyors" - 5 separated paralleled processes.
As per nurse all time-slots for first shot on all 5 lines were taken for today and for 10 days forward from today (here you can choose any day to visit doctor in his schedule at next 14 days if doctor has vacant time slot, we do it via phone application where you can make appointment to your therapist, surgeon, ophthalmologist, urologist, doctor "mouth, nose and ears", also appointment for injections, massage, and other simple procedures) .
In line for second shot were just few persons. Also some papers, then check up, then injections. Nothing new, all took 15 min + 30 min of mandatory waiting under supervising of nurse after shot. Just vial with vaccine is red at this time (vial for first shot is blue).
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Having read today on the BBC that the death toll in Russian from Covid related illnesses was three times higher than previously reported I'm glad to hear that you've now had both of your vaccine shots and hopefully Covid is one thing you (Moses) can personally start to think about less re your own personal health at least.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55474028
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Re: Russian COVID vaccine - published results
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Nirish guy
BBC are stupid. They make "news" from nothing.
There are 2 numbers in Russian statistic about COVID. First is deaths "because of COVID" and it in accordance with local standards is reported daily to WHO. Second is number of deaths linked to COVID - for example person who has COVID and weight 200kg died from heart attack in hospital. This person will be reported in second number only. But person who has lungs damaged 90% and died from low oxygen in blood will be in both numbers. Each country has own national standards how to record reasons of the death. Golikova talks about second numbers, Russia reports to WHO first numbers, nothing new. We have Russian proverb "To suck news from finger". It is exactly this case.
Govt doesn't hide numbers here and reports both numbers on monthly basis.
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To be fair I think the BBC also explained that fairly clearly that in their article too. They aren't criticising, merely pointing out your own difference in reporting numbers and how (as you've also said ) that if the second group of numbers were used as reported by your own Deputy Prime Minister and not the first your "deaths from Covid" basic numbers then your death rate would show as a much higher figure than before.
They also reported that your Dep PM stated that you weren't previously "hiding" figures, just reporting them differently, which again is basically what that BBC article was saying too, whilst flagging up the change in figures DID change your "deaths from" figure too of course, so it's hardly either stupid or news from nothing really, it is just "fact" it seems. Our Govt tried using both figures for a while too I should add, but also had to report and end up using the higher ( more accurate / true) figure as well.
From the BBC article.....
"Russia has been criticised for calculating its official deaths from Covid-19 based on the number of post-mortem examinations that list coronavirus as the main cause of death. However, this means that other deaths linked to Covid-19, which did not list it as the main cause of death, will not have been included.The new numbers mean Russia's coronavirus death toll could be the world's third-highest, after the US with 335,000 deaths"
Either
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N.g. you didn't got my point about BBC's article.
My point is: it is just typical British propaganda. Day by day they (BBC) publishing such "news" where "Russia hiding", "highly likely Russia", "Russian hackers", now "3 times higher than prev. reported" But prev reported were both numbers. Both. If they "previously" had read one only - it is their guilt, not Russian, because previously and previously-previously were reported both, not one.
Also it is annoying what BBC writes "news" about level of COVID in Russia (280 per 1 mln) every week at least, but pays no attention to Sweden or Poland. Nobody questions level or reported deaths in Germany (the same as in Russia - 277) nor in Poland, or Denmark (211). Even 39 per million in Australia isn't in news as well as 99 from Finland. So my post above was not about criticism, but about propaganda. Clean, uncovered and straightforward propaganda. Like drops in the silence, one by one, by one... annoying.
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No you’re right, I don’t see your point. Well I read it but I don’t agree with it.
Just as the west are do undoubtedly use propaganda ( as Russia does) I actually don’t think this is one of those times. I seen it more as the BBC simply saying that your Dep PM is now releasing numbers ( to the west?) that have been declared in one way before but if abd as they are are now also being declared another way ( by your own Dep PM) then your deaths from number will be higher than before. That’s just a simple statement of fact.
As I said the UK Government also reported their numbers “differently” before as well and they too had to accept the fact that when declared / read differently they gave the UK a much higher death rate too.
Sometimes news is just news and not “always” hard core propaganda against Russia ( as you seemingly always tend to see it?)
But ok, my point remains the same, no matter which method of counting is used I’m happy tyat you now have been able to get both your injections and can now start to think less about catching Covid yourself at least now.
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Congratulations Moses. You are now ready to go to LOS! Just tell them that you are immunised and they will let you in, no doubt.
As for Covid death related numbers, I think that every country hides real numbers, partly because they dont know exactly and partly because they dont want to be sought as bad managers of that pandemic. Now the UK, in its current catastrophic scenario of infections, needs to point to other countries as worst than themselves. Russia has been chosen for that!
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Nirish guy
Sometimes news is just news and not “always” hard core propaganda against Russia ( as you seemingly always tend to see it?)
If I will believe in all they say about Russia, I must to be proud about Russia: we already installed few US presidents, won space competition, Russian hackers feel themselves in defense ministries of all NATO countries like at home as well in NATO itself, our poisons are most dangerous in World and our rockets most fast.
About travel certificates. Here is announced what since January everyone Russian who is vaccinated will have possibility to download own vaccination certificate from whole-country state service site (where we can order and receive many other state service like passports and so on - from insurance to health and law, over 250 services provided by state are in catalogue), looks like it will use blockchain technology.
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Moses
If I will believe in all they say about Russia, I must to be proud about Russia: we already installed few US presidents, won space competition, Russian hackers feel themselves in defense ministries of all NATO countries like at home as well in NATO itself, our poisons are most dangerous in World and our rockets most fast.
You’ve left assassinating journalists inside Russia whose reports annoy Putin off your list of triumphs.
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You also forgot the award for being the manufacturer of the most dangerous underwear in the world too !
Although that one I was quietly quite pleased about as if Governments are still going to go about killing people ( that's ALL governments before you start freaking out there Moses) I was quietly please that Russia had (ALLEGEDLY MOSES !!) developed poison built into a guys underwear as THAT is no less that I would expect from a good spy story. That's right up there with the CIA's secret message dead rats in Russia or their exploding cigars plans in Cuba !! ( Well, assuming those stories are all true of of course and aren't just Russian propaganda of course as one cant be too careful about that sort of thing - eh Moses ! :)
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Russian TV just announced news about first state-developed drug against COVID. "Tested for safe use, patented. Clinical trial for effectiveness will start today. Kills virus. Expected effectiveness 99%." - quotes from chief of state bio-medical agency Skvortcova.
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Moses
Russian TV just announced news about first state-developed drug against COVID. "Tested for safe use, patented. Clinical trial for effectiveness will start today. Kills virus. Expected effectiveness 99%." - quotes from chief of state bio-medical agency Skvortcova.
Is that the same agency that certified Novichok?
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StevieWonders
Is that the same agency that certified Novichok?
Why? Do you think what Russia has enough smart guys for to fill one only agency? Well if so, then the same agency should be accused in installation of few US presidents...
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/w...n-vaccine.html
NY TIMES
Why I Got the Russian Vaccine
A New York Times reporter juggled fears engendered by the politicized rollout of the Sputnik V vaccine with the urge to gain protection from the deadly virus.
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Moses
An American journalist living in Russia with no alternative vaccines available decides to use the only vaccine to hand. Not really a “Hold the front page” story.
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Mr Putin has still not taken the Russian vaccine ?
Meanwhile, the head of state of the UK has taken a vaccine, although we don't know which of them.
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goji
Mr Putin has still not taken the Russian vaccine ?
Meanwhile, the head of state of the UK has taken a vaccine, although we don't know which of them.
Already covered - https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showt...d-is-so-stupid
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Moscow. 8 weeks of vaccination. From 8K+ per day to less than 2K in 8 weeks.
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Just in from the BBC:
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Russia's Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine gives around 92% protection against Covid-19, late stage trial results published in The Lancet reveal.
It has also been deemed to be safe - and offered complete protection against hospitalisation and death.
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a447
Just in from the BBC:
Yes https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...191-4/fulltext
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The Sputnik V vaccine and Russia’s race to immunity
As I’ve posted on several occasions I’ve never doubted the ability of Russians to develop an effective vaccine. The following article from The New Yorker however while on the whole favourable (the writer ends up getting vaccinated with Sputnik V) does highlight several skirmishes with facts by the Russian team along the way and the role of Russian disinformation generally
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ce-to-immunity
The Washington Post’s story is rather more aggressive
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...785_story.html
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Moscow. Feb 10. The lowest number at past 5 months.
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stevie.....both of those failing tabloids have no credibility....the Russian vaccine has proven to be effective...or are u so tribal that just because its NOT from a recognised western pharmaceutical corp it cant be good.....the same corporations that have been ripping off the US public with their p;rocing...put the mafia to shame..
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latintopxxx
are u so tribal that just because its NOT from a recognised western pharmaceutical corp it cant be good.....
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Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said on Wednesday that he has assured his Canadian counterpart Justin Trudeau that India would do its best to supply Canada with vaccines to fight the pandemic
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2AA2KA
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Moses
Moscow. Feb 10. The lowest number at past 5 months.
Yes, winter is pretty much over, so it's lower all over the northern hemisphere now. That's to be expected, same as this winter was expected to be brutal since last March.
The vaccine won't start taking affect on the numbers for another couple months at least. And that's for you guys like Russia, UK and Israel who actually have their act together.
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latintopxxx
the Russian vaccine has proven to be effective...or are u so tribal that just because its NOT from a recognised western pharmaceutical corp it cant be good
He's not saying the vaccine doesn't work. It does, and that's been well proven now with time. He's saying the methodology is shitty, which it is / was.
It's the equivalent of me hammering our a few hundred lines of code, throwing it up on a server, and telling the client it's done. If and when everything works as it's supposed to then it's great, and far more efficient. However, it's pretty well established it's best to take the extra time to write out proper unit tests and test extensively before handing it over to the client. Otherwise, I quickly find myself in a position without any clients.
Same concept here. Russia didn't really bother with testing, at least not extensive testing of modifications made, and jumped right into production. Just because it worked this time doesn't mean we should throw out testing altogether going forward, as that would be stupid.
If you have the time and desire, here's a prime example as to why extensive testing is probably a good idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9_sX93RHOk
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latintopxxx
stevie.....both of those failing tabloids have no credibility....the Russian vaccine has proven to be effective...or are u so tribal that just because its NOT from a recognised western pharmaceutical corp it cant be good.....the same corporations that have been ripping off the US public with their p;rocing...put the mafia to shame..
I’ve given my inner American a good talking to
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based on your posts,,,i would give it a good beating with my make up bag...
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cdnmatt
Yes, winter is pretty much over, so it's lower all over the northern hemisphere now.
Could you please reread school geography book before to pretend to look like a smart guy? Winter is over? Matt, what grade you had in school about geography? It isn't Toronto here. We have 6 months winter in Moscow, snow lays from November till end of April, temperatures below zero in Celsius grade from October till May. Right now we are in the middle of the winter, temperature is -16C outside and at past 24 hours we had most heavy snow since 1973.
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...silly matty...when all esle fails he starts tallkng IT....
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cdnmatt
Same concept here. Russia didn't really bother with testing, at least not extensive testing of modifications made, and jumped right into production. Just because it worked this time doesn't mean we should throw out testing altogether going forward, as that would be stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9_sX93RHOk
I can tell you what is really stupid here: your post. Russia has vector for Sputnik and tested it since 2007. So please write another "smart" idea "why Russian Sputnik V still works and works more effective than Oxford". Or "why Russians made 3 vaccine, Chinese made 3 vaccine, but France failed to make even 1 vaccine (hello Sanofi) and Canada even didn't make attempt or pretend it makes vaccine at all"