No high horse here. It's called treat people how you want to be treated.
Won't dignify the rest of your post...
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It shouldn't be difficult for christianpfc to track down Matt now with his blindness.
Maybe a fourth search of the villages in KK is in order, after 3 failed attempts.
At least Matt won't see Christianpfc lurking around his house and questioning neighbors.
Shit, it's been three times now? I only know of the one time.
What a creepy little stalkers. Let's just hope he keeps his sexual endevaours to adults, and doesn't target children in this mannger, as some of his blog posts suggest otherwise.
Wrong matt, nothing Christian has ever written would hint at your slanderous post above.
Have you no shame?
Matt, when I have a go at Latin, I always post the specific comments that he's made.
Christian has a right to see which posts from his blog you are referring to. In fact, I think we all do.
Why don't you post them here?
Matt is fake I think.
well nothing shocks me when it comes to THIS board....and I do have to agree that Christian has never posted anything that would point towards that sort of thing...terrible really...
I think catawampuscat used poetic license. I stayed in KK several times, but only on one stay did I try to meet cdnmatt (failed, with cdnmatt's permission I would post our communication). That confirmed what others have told me before and after: despite inviting people to visit him in KK, cdnmatt is unavailable (wrong phone number, doesn't reply to calls or messages, whatever).
And I surely have better things to do in KK than trying to track down cndmatt:
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Wat Pa Saeng Arun, I haven't been to this temple yet, but on my next trip.)
Christianpfc should be aware that older farangs like to talk about outrageous behavior that
other farangs exhibit. Reporting in to farangs about your futile questioning and searches for cdnmatt is bizarre enough to be talked about over a beer in a group of farangs.
I find stalking creepy and am glad Matt is aware that someone
has made 4 trips to KK questioning Thais and searching for Matt. Denial is fine but it means
you are telling lies to older farangs whom you text about your searches.
You should also be aware that publicly reminiscing about the good old days of the third Reich
will make you despised by many of us. Resurrecting Hitler really a fucked up desire.
And just for the record Christian you HAVE written some stuff over the years that has left you open to accusations of WTF !! when it comes to you "hunting and preying" on younger guys ( I'm being kind here),
I decided at the time to put it down to your command of English in some of the words and phrases you used and descriptions of of your activities in the slum areas etc and again to be fair Im going to leave it at that) - but just for the record, Matt - fake or not DOES have a point about some of your past posts.
And before anyone starts demanding copies and pastes - no, I not going to waste my time going back months and maybe years looking for stuff, but I know what I read at the time too and it did leave a question mark of "WTF did Christian just say there, that sounds as dodgy as fuck!"
Christian if you didn't intend that to the case ( again being kind here) you should perhaps be aware of how your choice of words read to others sometimes - especially those in authority as I'm guessing if they had read some phrases you'd used, intentionally or otherwise, I think you might have ended up with a bit of a problem on your hands perhaps.
Bur Matt, real or not, isn't as wrong in this case as everyone is automatically surmising there perhaps. But granted the posts that I recall were quite a while ago now and I'm guessing Christians "choice of words" has improved and hence this issue hasn't surfaced again in a long time now,
I cannot leave these misrepresentations (bordering on lies) uncommented.
There is no other way I can put it: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!
Obviously you didn't understand what I wrote before (I just read my previous post, there is no ambiguity):
I stayed in KK several times, but only on one stay did I try to meet cdnmatt (failed, with cdnmatt's permission I would post our communication). That confirmed what others have told me before and after: despite inviting people to visit him in KK, cdnmatt is unavailable (wrong phone number, doesn't reply to calls or messages, whatever).
Meeting cdnmatt was a possible side effect of one of these stays, not the main reason.
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS LYING.
Different story, I said everything here:
http://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showth...758#post205758
Two different older farangs separately told me about the multiple trips to KK and your
reports on the search for Matt, the questioning of village people and a diligent and
obsessive pursuit of matt's whereabouts. I believe that they relayed was what you told them and
messaged them.
We are all liars or you just can't admit you are a lurker and a creep.
Obviously, I don't like you, or your Hitler humor.
It's a small world and ones words can
haunt them.
Leave Matt the fuck alone, find a boyfriend already.
Posters on this forum will believe what they believe and a long detailed past of obsessive painstaking stalking,
searching, questioning and endless walking in dodgy areas in pursuit of boys, will sway posters opinions one way or the
other.
Well it's been a long time since we had MFAS posting here and I for one am glad to welcome you back.
Clearly it's an indisputable fact then. I had "two different older farangs" tell me that the Tarntawan Hotel was definitely closing, and with it Dick's Cafe - as I reported in another thread which I started. Surely you have realised in your long, long life that most people want to boast about how much they "know" so as to big-note themselves, most of which is either easily disprovable or palpable nonsense. I told my "Tarntawan is closing" friends that what they were telling me was clearly bullshit based on simple logic but was roundly abused as I was not on the ground in Bangkok so how could I possibly know. The logic that a hotel would close down at the high point of the high season didn't seem to have occurred to them
But back to Matt. My impression from the few posts I've read is that he's a young man who thinks that Thai youths are reserved for the enjoyment of him and his contemporaries. Anyone older who seeks (or, worse) enjoys the same pleasures is nothing but an old pervert, and to be thereby condemned
WTF is this all about? Why the sudden crucifying of christianpfc? Matt himself made it perfectly clear in an earlier post that there was one attempt to locate him? Despite phone number etc., that did not happen. So where have the references to four attempts come from? Christianpfc has denied them - and that's good enough for me.
It reminded me slightly of various attempts to meet up with Beachlover over on gaythailand.com. Michael who owned the Board at that time offered to take him for an excellent meal. His response was he'd try his best. Needless to say the meeting never took place because we all knew BL was a fake. In saying this, I make no comparison whatever to Matt, other than to suggest meetings set up with the best of intentions often fail for one reason or another.
The fact is that, unlike many others here, christianpfc genuinely likes to meet up with fellow members. That's far from stalking, and to suggest it is so should be stopped unless someone can provide proof rather than hearsay. It is also a fact that sometimes christianpfc does appreciate the person he's meeting to pick up tthe bill. If I had to live on his paltry savings I have zero doubt I'd do exactly the same.
As for the Hitler jibes, few of us probably share christianpfc's particular sense of humor. But let's face it, that goes not only for christianpfc!! I admit I have not seen all the posts on his blog nor all here. But I cannot recall anything I found in what I have read to be any more offensive than a lot of what is written by others in this and other chat rooms/blogs.
And for those like MFAS who trash christianpfc's contributions, how often has MFAS - and other members for that matter - posted about his extensive travels around Thailand or provided such valuable information about various aspects of the country, including its gay life? The fact is that this Board and the other two main gay ones are essentially Pattaya-centric with occasional forays into Bangkok. For sexpats, sex tourists and those who live there, that's fine. The fact that another member providing insights into other parts of this vast country is called "offensive" is IMHO offensive in itself.
Frequent: Everyone knows who MFAS is and what his handle is elsewhere.
...oh honestly...this board is degenerating into a snake filled pit....was fun when I was being attacked...but now everyone is attacking everyone..I cant even tell who's friends anymore...like a highschool nightmare...
I won't dignify by posting anything more having to do with Chrispfc.
On another note though I havent posted for sometime I do look at the forum often. I am not sure why cdmatt is the topic of so much interest, I for one hope he is a fake and that there is no real guy in Nakon Nowhere suffering blindness, whoever he is I've enjoyed reading his posts for a long time from the early Kim days onward and I hope whoever he is that he keeps on posting.
I think Fountainhall has written the most thoughtful post on this quickly-gone-south topic ... even though being just a tad 'windy' (as is his style).
For myself, I'll just quote his first, perspicacious, word:Quote:
" ... WTF? ... "
(See what happens when I go away for a few days :crazy_mini:)
Thank you Smiles - although I think the more appropriate word is long-winded :))
When two different men tell you the same story separately and you respect the men, then it
only leaves one with the conclusion that they are not the liars here.
Christianpfc has befriended many older gay farangs. Several of these farangs are the source
of my posting. I have only related one story. Christianpfc comments about older gay Jewish
farangs are disparaging and of course, it's the Jews who are the problem.
Only one of the reasons I find Christianpfc distasteful but he has his admirers and that's the way it is.
Btw, I warned Matt when I heard of the first reconnaissance mission.
I know I wouldn't like it if a stalker was outside my residence, taking
photos and questioning neighbors. Damn creepy!
On Friday I was on one of my very infrequent trips in to Pattaya. I realise the "normal" in the title refers to entertainment following the first month of mourning for the passing of His Majesty. But if normal refers to what I saw in Sunee Plaza, then as a gay hangout that area will surely be dead in the near future. Nice Boys and Eros had few customers, perhaps 3 of the beer bars were doing some business, the rest were all but empty. And the large number of "for sale" signs shocked me. And this is supposed to be the high season!
Boyztown was much more active but still not as crowded as I remember from a few years ago. Perhaps rain in the late afternoon had put guys off going out, but it had all but stopped by 7:00pm. Does anyone have any idea how many gay entertainment businesses there are now compared to, say, 5 years ago?
As a long time resident of Pattaya the change over the last five years is most obvious in Sunee Plaza, the very, very few places there will most likely be gone soon, I would say the places in B.T. have been halfed in the past 5 years however, the once unlively Jomtien Complex has expanded it's offerings as the other 2 gay areas have shrunk, it is thriving with many bar boys from Cambodia and Loas.
Thanks fountainhall for bringing this thread back 'on topic'.
Many bars have closed in Sunee Plaza but hope springs eternal. The old allofme bar beer
was reported to have rented for a new boy bar.
La Marina French restaurant has reopened with new owner.
In Boyztown, the old Funny Boys gogo bar being renovated and New Prisma boy bar to open soon in its place.
In Jomtien Complex new boy bar called Valentine to open soon as Thai owner of Narcissus Massage
closes on Pattayaland soi 1 and opens Valentines Boy bar beer.
I have to agree Sunee has seen better days, with many boys bars closed.
"Better days" must be one of the great understatements!
The question has been asked before, and there may be little point bringing it up again but why is it that so many bars have been closing down? We know all about the apps and there now being less need for the boys to meet customers in a bar. But there surely has to be more than that. I remember when Krazy Dragon opened. It had a gimmick and despite the bar being overlarge, I believe it worked and was popular for a while. But then the management seemed to lose control of what was happening inside. The boys stopped circulating around around the tables, either preferring to concentrate on one or two, or spending ages chatting with their mates behind the bar. The bar manager or whoever was in control clearly had lost control and was bored. The quality of the boys also went downhill even before the bar was sold. Thereafter with the second owner it seemed to nosedive.
Happy Boys just outside Sunee seemed a fun place with quite a few customers whenever I was in town. Not to everyone's taste, understandably. but it had its own gimmick which seemed to work. Both bars are now dead.
The other night my friends and I actually had a good time in one of the gogo bars. The boys were fun to sit with, there was no great pressure to keep buying drinks (although we did) and we were happy to part with pretty generous tips. We were not planning to off anyone and again there was little pressure to do so. Yet there were few other customers over the 90 minutes or so we spent there.
Is it only the apps? Are bar managers simply inept at their jobs? Do owners really care any more? How do they start bringing the fun element back into their establishments?
Sunee died because the sleeze factor dissapeared with more and more police raids and exposes by the foriegn press, that was the draw when draw of sleeze ended so did the falang traffic. Boystown suffered from unrealisic pricing of drinks and a general lack of gay tourism.
Sunny Boys in Suny had its brief moment in the sun a couple of years ago.....low prices and twinks actually dancing. I looked in twice; on one occasion it was very busy, on the second, there were no seats available and I left.
Then it suddenly and quickly declined and closed. Wasn't it a business model that others could try?
At it's best Sunee was perhaps the most exciting couple of gay oriented streets in the entire world, The Corner Bar under Gary and then Michael was THE place to sit and people watch as different vistas evolved out of the different aspects.
I think we tend to forget sometimes that we are talking about commercial sex bars that are of interest to only a limited sub-section of the "gay" community
I can think of many "gay oriented streets" in the world that had at their best or still have today a very exciting variety of gay pubs, show bars, dance venues, saunas and sex venues as well as cafes, coffee shops and restaurants that offered/offer fabulous people watching that probably most gays would prefer over a view of older western gents with their younger Thai "boy special" in tow
I am not saying that Sunee did not have or deserve its 15 minutes of fame within the gay thailand forum community, but most exciting in the entire gay world?
bkkguy
Would you like to name any of these mythical streets - because I can't think of any
bkkguy: Restaurants and cafes and shows are not gay orientated, they are enjoyed by everyone so if you're talking about areas of London, New York or Amsterdam then you're not comparing like with like. Besides as any Sunee old timer will tell you, it was never just about the sex. You'd meet fantastically interesting people and have wonderful conversations and an hour after meeting someone for the first time the two or three or four of you were riding around Pattaya on motorbikes looking for some nightclub or karaoke bar someone had said was full of hot offable boys. Fun my friend, pure and simple fun. The place hopped and buzzed and jived and thrilled and shocked and seduced and repelled and delighted. It's probably gone forever and we shall miss it's undeniable chutzpah.
P,S Given the choice and knowing the available fare that was there I would rather it died for good than came back in that form.
When newbees ask what was Sunee like 12 years ago I say there was the good, the bad, and the ugly, as well as snake charmers, elephants and characters straight out of a Fellini movie and I wouldn't have missed it for the world.