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    The Blue Diamond Affair

    The latest on the jewl robbery. Meanwhile ordinary Saudis are being fined and having a 1 year travel ban slapped on them for visiting Thailand Sorry to cut and paste but I didn't know how to add the link to the story.

    Thursday, August 6, 2009
    Timeline of the Blue Diamond Affair
    Updated

    The first victim of the crime is, today, the king of Saudi Arabia. Others were not so lucky. By one estimate, at least 17 people have died as a result of the theft of the blue diamond, leading superstitious Thais to believe the diamond is cursed.

    That's not all. Because of the "Blue Diamond Affair" Thais were prohibited from visiting Saudi Arabia for a generation and the number of Thai workers in Saudi Arabia declined from nearly a quarter million to only 10,000, costing the Thai economy an estimated $500-700 million. Thai-Saudi relations have yet to recover.

    The New York Times once called it "the biggest scandal in the history of the Thai national police."

    Today came the latest installment in this twenty-year saga. Before we get to that -- and in order to illustrate why the latest news out of Bangkok makes no sense -- I drew up this timeline.

    Jotman's Blue Diamond Affair Timeline

    1989 (Jun-Aug) - Kriangkrai Techamong, a Thai worker steals 200 lbs of jewels from Riyadh palace of Saudi Crown Prince Faisal ibn Abdul Aziz al Saud, the son of King Fahd. Among the stolen gems was a rare blue diamond. The theft amounted to US$20 million.

    ---- - Kriangkrai packed loot in boxes and sent it to relatives in Thailand by DHL parcel post.

    ----- - Kriangkrai returns to Thailand and stashes loot at his home in Lampang (in the north of Thailand). Kriangkrai buried some of his loot on the farm and started selling items individually for $30 apiece.

    ---- - owner of a large Thai jewelery business, Santi Sithanakan, thought to have purchased most of the gems from Kriangkrai.

    ----- - Al-Besri and the three others- two diplomats and a private citizen - are assigned by Saudi Arabia to look into the highly publicised Saudi diamond scandal.

    ------ (Nov) - Al-Maliki, a Saudi Arabian diplomat close to the Saudi royal family arrives in Bangkok to investigate.

    1990 (Jan 4) - Al-Maliki, 35, shot dead in front of his home on Soi Pipat 1 off Sathon Road.

    1990 (Jan) - Investigation led by Police Lieutenant-General Chalor Kerdthes leads to arrest of Kriangkrai and the recovery of many of the jewels.

    1990 (Feb 1) - Saudi diplomat Adbullah A al-Besri, the consul, is killed in Bangkok. Ten minutes later, two more Saudi diplomats -- Fahad AZ Albahli, an attach├й, and Ahmed A Alsaif, a telex operator -- are also assassinated in Bangkok.

    1990 (Feb 14) - Saudi businessman, Mohammed al- Ruwaili, thought to have known who had stolen the jewelry, disappears.

    1990 (March) - police handed over the jewels to Saudi Arabia in a public ceremony.

    1990 - Saudis discover 80% of the returned jewels are fake. The Thai police are the prime suspects.

    1990 - Saudis downgrade diplomatic relations with Thailand. They dispatch "a tough-talking, gun-toting" charge d'affairs, Mohammed Said Khoja, to Thailand to retrieve the family jewels. Khoja believes that the man responsible for the imitations is jeweler Santi. 'He is the one who changed the genuine stones for the fakes,' he says. 'He is the key.' Concerning the killings, "Khoja will not go into details, but says all four were in some way involved with the attempt to regain the jewels, and claims that they were killed because they had important information. A Thai policeman was also killed. The police denied that the murder was linked with the jewels but they promised to step up their investigations."

    ------ - "Saudis became convinced that the Thai police were involved in a huge cover-up, that the jewels had been distributed among some influential people at the top of Thai society."

    ----- - "At a gala dinner in Bangkok soon after the incident, wives of the Thai generals and leading politicians fiercely competed in showing off their jewelry. The Thai newspapers' photographers caught pictures showing diamond necklaces belonging to the Saudi royal family. The pictures were shown to Saudi officials who also confirmed its similarity. The Thai ladies, however, denied their authenticity." (Another?) sighting of the jewels is alleged to have occured at a Red Cross event (date unspecified).

    1991 (June) - "after unrelenting pressure from Riyadh, the Thai police reopened the case, miraculously discovered some of the jewels - albeit a fraction of the total hoard - and charged four civilians with receiving stolen property. Jewels worth pounds 75,000 were returned."

    ----- - To protest inaction on the case, Saudi Arabia cuts off work permits to more than 250,000 Thai guest workers.

    1994 (Aug) - Santi Sithanakan is kidnapped and tortured by police on orders of Chalor.

    1994 (Aug) - Two weeks later, wife and 14-year-old son of Santi Sithanakan, now the government's principal witness found dead, bloodied and beaten, in their Mercedes outside Bangkok. Thai police forensic officers put the death down to a road accident, but they had clearly been murdered. "The forensic commander thinks we're stupid," Saudi diplomat Khoja tells reporters.

    ----- - The witness, Bangkok jeweler Santi Sithanakan, goes into hiding. He is believed to have tried to pay a randsom for his family, but obviously something went wrong.

    ---- (Sept) - two police generals (of the 18 police officers implicated in the gems case) are dismissed.

    1994 - The thief, Kriangkrai Techamong, is free. "He was released after serving two years and seven months for handling stolen goods after receiving two royal pardons."

    1995 - 13 year-long trial of Chalor Kerdthes begins. Initially he is convicted of ordering the murder of the wife and son of the gem dealer in Aug 1994. He is sentenced to death (but the sentence is not carried out). It is revealed that four men admitted committing the murders on police orders. They had demanded a ransom of $2.5 million from the jeweler.

    2001 - Police Lieutenant-General Chalor Kerdthes, still in jail, has formed a rock group and produced his own version of Jailhouse Rock. He claims to be innocent.

    2002 - "Police Lieutenant-General Chalor Kerdthes, 64, the man charged with investigating the theft by the migrant worker and with returning the jewels to their owner, Prince Faisal bin Abdul Raish, was jailed for seven years, the newspaper reported. Major Thanee Sridokaub, 45, received the same sentence. Both were found guilty of kidnapping a Thai jeweler who was handling the stolen gems.Chalor faces further charges of collaborating in the murder of the jeweler's wife and 14-year-old son after a ransom demand of $2.5 million was not met, the newspaper reported. Instead of attempting to solve the case, Thai police saw riches in it for themselves, the criminal court in Bangkok had been told."

    2004 - The Department of Special Investigations (DSI) which is under the Justice Ministry, takes over investigation into the Saudi murders from the Thai police.DIS

    2006 - Trial of Chalor Kerdthes ends. Sentenced to 20 years for stealing the recovered jewellery. Six other officers found guilty.

    2007 (Sept) - new DSI team of investigators launched. It is under Army Colonel Piyawat Gingkaet. No former police have been appointed to the team.

    2008 (March) - Foreign minister Noppadon declares Thailand's intention to normalize relations with Saudi Arabia, which will be possible once the Blue Diamond case is wrapped up.

    ---- (March) - "Two Muslim experts" who have a good relationship with Saudi Arabia appointed to serve as advisors to DSI investigators in charge of the cases.

    ---- (April) - Thai Justice minister Sompong Amornwiwat visits Chalor Kerdthes in jail. It was suspected that he could implicate some former police chiefs.

    ---- (May) - Kriangkrai -- the thief -- is now living in a small wooden house. It's not entirely clear where he got the money to buy a new tractor.

    ---- (fall?) - SDI Director Thawee reports that 90 percent of the investigation has been completed.

    2009 (Jan) - Thai charge d'affaires to Saudi Arabia speaks of "renewed effort" by Abhisit government to "normalize diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia by resolving the Blue Diamond theft case, the murder of three Saudi diplomats in 1989 and the case of the disappearance of a Saudi businessman in 1990."

    ---- (Aug) - SDI decides there is enough evidence to charge Abu Ali who is suspected of shooting Abdullah AAl-Besri, the first of three Saudi diplomats shot to death on Feb 1, 1990.

    2010 (early) - The statute of limitations expires on investigations into the killings

    Don't try to hold in farts - they travel up your spine and into your brain and that is where shitty ideas come from.

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    This has been the best thing ever to happen to Thailand.

    a) Thai workers have been going to friendlier places -- like Israel -- where they are treated more like humans and less like dogs;

    b) Saudis have not been coming to Thailand, thus sparing the rest of us the sight of their hairy, smelly, hypocritical asses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach Bunny
    This has been the best thing ever to happen to Thailand.

    a) Thai workers have been going to friendlier places -- like Israel -- where they are treated more like humans and less like dogs;

    And they get caught up in the fighting and get killed

    b) Saudis have not been coming to Thailand, thus sparing the rest of us the sight of their hairy, smelly, hypocritical asses.
    The Saudis are also on a winner having been taken out of the worlds biggest whore house

    I'm supprised you call Israel a friendly country taking into account your anti semitic views in the past. Arabs and Jews are cousins. Having visited Israel myself several times I can say there is no difference at all.
    Don't try to hold in farts - they travel up your spine and into your brain and that is where shitty ideas come from.

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    What "anti-semitic" views are you talking about, exactly?

    While the Israelis and Arabs may have common ancestors, Saudi Arabia is one of the most uncivilized and barbaric places in the world, whereas Israel is a shining light of civility in the region...one of the very few places over there where gay life flourishes without fear of decapitation.

    And, having a number of Thai acquaintances who had previously worked as virtual untouchables in Saudi Arabia -- then later on kibbutzes in Israel -- I can tell you there is absolutely no comparison in the way they were treated.

    And I bet those Saudis miss being in the biggest whore house in the world...and who can blame them looking at their women.

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    Re: The Blue Diamond Affair

    Quote Originally Posted by Beach Bunny
    What "anti-semitic" views are you talking about, exactly?
    Israel is a shining light of civility in the region...one of the very few places over there where gay life flourishes without fear of decapitation.
    Duhhhhh, did I misread something here?
    http://www.enews.ma/two-killed-shooting_i139046.html

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    A single isolated case -- of the type that occasionally occur even in the most progressive countries in the world (such as the Netherlands) -- and you're ready to put Israel's tolerance of gays in the same basket as places like Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Saudi?

    I know you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I don't think even you are that stupid.

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    Beach Bunny

    (adj) racist, antiblack, anti-Semite (discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion)

    You have said in the past plenty of discriminatory things about Arabs in general.

    Saudi Arabia.
    The laws are a bit different to what you're used to. Gays are not openly accepted but 80% of the male population practice what you would call gay sex. Nobody is decapitated for it. There have been cases of gays being executed but not for being gay. The last execution was of a teenage boy who raped and murdered a 6 year old boy. The previous was again two middle aged men who had raped a string of 9, 10 and 11 year olds. Being gay is ok but don't go out and shout it from the roof tops, a nod and a wink is all that is needed to secure some fine sex. I have no problem with execution for raping kids

    People who come to work in Saudi get paid a lot of money and are free to leave whenever they wish if they can't take the culture change. The Thais came years ago before the Blue diamond Affair and went home rich. They made enough money to build a houses and start some kind of business without having to flog their assholes.

    I have Filipinos working for me and they make a basic minimum of 1,000 US $ a month with accommodation and food found. They get a ticket home every year and have never complained of being treated with disrespect. 1,000.000 live here.

    Israel
    A nation of people who have occupied other peoples land and then murder those who protest. The Palestinians who live in Israel proper are second class citizens and treated like shit. I have been there and seen it. Gay bars are there but many Israelis are afraid to come out for fear of being outcast by their families. Thai workers in Israel work for a lot less that Saudi Arabia pays. A group of Thai workers were abandoned to fend for themselves in Gaza when Israel pulled out. Israel then sealed the place off and attempted to starve 2,000.000 Palestinians to death. A sort of Israel's own version of The Final Solution. A civilized country you call it.
    Don't try to hold in farts - they travel up your spine and into your brain and that is where shitty ideas come from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach Bunny
    A single isolated case -- of the type that occasionally occur even in the most progressive countries in the world (such as the Netherlands) -- and you're ready to put Israel's tolerance of gays in the same basket as places like Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Saudi?
    I know you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I don't think even you are that stupid.
    Sorry Bunny, I don't buy you ad hominem argument. Facts impress me more then name-calling. You like to claim to be smart, yet you constantly engage in stupid arguments like the one above. You say people hate because you are always right. No, they hate you for your attitude as displayed above. Having been in the PI on several occasions I can testify that, except for some cases of women being raped, the Filipinos who work in Saudi Arabia are quite happy and doing quite well. As to maids being raped by their employers, you can find the same problems in Japan and China. Furthermore, the Philippine Government has actually done something about this problem, something the Thai Government would never give a damn about. I can also cite the following articles, about the importance of the Filipino workers both from the Saudi view and the Filipino view.

    http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cf ... 0806159290
    Here is a long list of articles, on working in Saudi Arabia, with no mention of bad conditions in a Filipino Middle Eastern paper.

    http://mepinoy.tripod.com/bin/script_li ... 00&=Search
    Some articles on the importance of Saudi Arabia to the Philippines, an idea you seem to reject for Thailand.
    http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7014296092
    http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.a ... 1093260085
    http://www.asiaecon.org/special_articles/read_sp/12169

    Allieb is also offering first hand evidence, what are you offering besides the name-calling. You might also mention that the Ultra Orthodox, the same people who just elected IsraelтАЩs premier Benjamin Netanyahu, did тАЬthis one time instanceтАЭ. They are a stronger force in Israel then the religious right is in the USA, and they hate and despise gays.

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    Beach Bunny Hates and despises Arabs as did his previous two identities. He also thinks he is an authority on everything. The only audiance he has is here on an anonymous message board. Sad isn't it. Look how many post he's made in the lifespan of Beach Bunny 970 in less than 7 months.
    Don't try to hold in farts - they travel up your spine and into your brain and that is where shitty ideas come from.

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    Filipinos? HAHAHAHAHA. Of course the Filipinos working in Saudi are happy. THEY MANAGED TO GET OUT OF THE PHILIPPINES!

    The laws in Saudi "a little different from what you're used to"? Yeah...that's one of of putting it. LOL.

    You can be an apologist for one of the single most barbaric states on earth if you wish...be my guest. You take Jeddah, I'll take Tel Aviv. Everyone happy.

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