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    And Now For Something Completely Different in Thailand ...

    And Now For Something Completely Different in Thailand ...

    A Thai Nuclear Missile Program (to counteract)?

    I'm thankful the tunnels aren't to the Tiger Monastery in Katchanaburi.

    I still thought Rangoon (Yangon) was the capital.


    North Korea Aids Burma Tunnels

    2009-06-18
    North Korea and Burma may have bartered goods for tunnel engineering.

    Burma's junta chief Than Shwe reviews an honor guard from his car in the capital of Naypyidaw, March 27, 2009.

    WASHINGTONтАФBurma's military regime has likely completed construction of an underground tunnel system with aid from North Korea in exchange for food and other materials, according to a Swedish journalist based in Bangkok.

    He said North Korean engineers arrived in Burma's remote new capital, Naypyidaw, three years ago to help build tunnels. He points to photographs that purportedly show North Korean advisers at the tunneling sites in Burma between 2003 and 2006.

    "We know for certain that in June 2006 a group of North Korean tunneling experts arrived in Naypyidaw to help with some of the tunneling and underground projects that were going on there at that time," Lintner said.

    By the late 1990s the first North Korean armaments began to arrive in Burma."

    Kim Kwang Jin, a North Korean defector and visiting fellow at Washington's Committee for Human Rights in North Korea, agreed with Lintner's assessment.
    "It's true that there are North Korean engineers of military supplies and administrators dispatched in Burma," Kim said, although he was unclear what information advisers were providing to Burmese officials.

    "To my knowledge, they were dispatched to Burma in 2002 or 2003. Burmese authorities have managed the [dispatched] North Korean work force in top secret," he said.

    Lintner, author of Blood Brothers: The Criminal Underworld of Asia and Great Leader, Dear Leader: Demystifying North Korea under the Kim Clan, claims the Burmese junta, known as the State Peace and Development Council (SPDC), began tunnel construction as early as 2005, when the country's capital was moved to Naypyidaw from Rangoon.

    Additional tunnels have been built near Taunggyi, the capital of Burma's northeastern Shan state and home to several of the country's ongoing insurgencies, Lintner said.

    "Some of those projects were fairly innocent. For instance, to facilitate hydroelectric power generation and so on. But others were more clandestine. They were meant to put some of the administration underground," he said.

    Lintner said the tunnel systems likely include underground meeting rooms and other facilities meant to protect Burma's top leadership from outside threats, including airborne attacks or uprisings by angry crowds, such as the large-scale pro-democracy movement of 1988.

    But Lintner said the junta required more specialized help from the North Koreans, who he called "experts at tunneling" and "much more advanced" than technicians from other countries.

    "North Korea itself has built a number of underground installations for its own defense industryтАФfor virtually everything in North Korea is also moved underground," Lintner said.

    "If you fly over North Korea, as I have done, you can suddenly see smoke coming out of a mountain in the middle of nowhere and you can see they are building inside. ?So it's no surprise to me that they turned to [them] for this kind of expertise," he said.

    Whether the tunnels are linked to Burma's reported efforts to develop nuclear technology is unknown, he said.

    Improved relations
    Relations between Burma and North Korea have improved continually since North Korean agents were discovered to be behind a bomb explosion in Rangoon that killed 18 visiting South Korean officials in 1983.

    Lintner said North Korea held secret talks with Burma in Bangkok during the early 1990s in a bid to extradite the alleged Rangoon bombers for trial in North Korea.

    "But while these talks were going on, I think the North Koreans and the Burmese realized that they had a lot in common. For instance, the way they look at the outside worldтАФthreats from the outside world?тАФthey have to survive against all odds economically as well as politically," Lintner said.

    "So gradually, relations improved, and by the late 1990s the first North Korean armaments began to arrive in Burma," he said.

    Goods exchanged

    Lintner said military hardware began to flow to Burma, which the junta needed to suppress an increasingly rebellious urban population as well as ethnic rebels in the country's frontier areas.

    North Korea was willing to accept food, rubber, and other essentials in exchange from Burma's generals, who had little cash to spend.

    "Since then, relations have been steadily improving," Lintner said. Those improved ties culminated in the reestablishment of diplomatic relations between North Korea and Burma in 2007.

    'Mysterious' exchanges

    In addition to arms deals, there have been "a lot of other exchanges going on which we know very little about," Lintner said.
    He pointed to a number of "mysterious" port calls in Burma by North Korean ships as well as frequent reports on the Web site of the official Korean Central News Agency of so-called "friendship delegations" arriving in Burma.

    "The 'friendship delegations' do not arrive in Rangoon without reason. It is more than friendship. It is some kind of business. But the exact nature of that business remains very much a mystery," Lintner said.

    While he said North Korea is likely trading technology with Burma, Lintner was reluctant to speculate exactly what kind.

    But he noted that both countries are short of foreign exchange reserves and therefore may be more willing to conduct those exchanges through barter.

    "Both countries are ?interested in all sorts of barter deals which, for instance, China and Russia would not accept. For instance, if North Korea were to transfer scientific technology to Burma, Burma would repay with minerals or with rice or something that North Korea needs," Lintner said.

    He suggested that Burma's generals may also remunerate North Korea with gold, which is found along the country's northern riverbanks.

    "North Korea would be willing to supply Burma with goods that not even Russia or the Chinese would. And one of them would be tunneling technology and the other one could be, possibly, nuclear know-how," he said.

    Original reporting for RFA's Burmese service. Radio Free Asia. All rights reserved.



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    Re: And Now For Something Completely Different in Thailand ...

    Maybe its just me, but after talking to a Burmese national here the other day, the Ruby mines are still going strong. Add to that the Burmese blood rubies to be the finest quality of all that are on the market, and the regime controlling all of these mines, Burma has a bit more money they I am sure they will let on.

    Its a scary thought, as I'm sure many of us will draw the same conclusions here, that North Korea has missiles on Burmese soil. Even being in Asia is too close for any war that NK might start with other countries, but to have to worry about Burma as a strategical launchsite outpost is quite scary.

    Heaven forbid the Burmese ever went at it with Thailand, and had control of these locations, if they did in fact have silos there.

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    Egad! It's getting deeper. Now a North Korean ship possibly carrying nuclear material to Myanmar is being tracked by the US Navy. That could mean a nuclear cargo ship off the shore of Phuket very soon. I hope it doesn't sink!

    On the evening news in US and from WSJ ... (nothing in the Thai news about it)

    U.S. Keeps Close Eye On North Korean Ship
    JUNE 24, 2009

    The Pentagon continues to trail a North Korean cargo ship believed headed toward Myanmar, in part because U.S. officials worry that Pyongyang plans to transfer major weapons systems and possibly nuclear technologies to the repressive Southeast Asian country, current and former U.S. officials said.

    North Korea has used Myanmar ports and airstrips to transfer arms and contraband to third countries, including Iran, these officials said. Myanmar's military government also has purchased on the open market technologies that are potentially usable in a nuclear program, and North Korean arms companies involved in the nuclear trade have become active in Myanmar, said U.S., Asian and United Nations officials.

    North Korean workers, meanwhile, have aided Myanmar's military junta in building underground tunnels near the new capital city of Naypyitaw that could have military applications, say U.S. officials.

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    The U.S. suspects the Kang Nam, shown here in 2006, is ferrying weapons or nuclear materials from North Korea to Myanmar.

    U.S. and U.N. officials said there could be nonmilitary reasons to explain Myanmar's actions, and they acknowledge there is no "smoking gun" to back fears of nuclear proliferation inside the Southeast Asian country. But U.S. and Asian diplomats draw strong similarities between the military governments in Pyongyang and Naypyitaw and their efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction as deterrents against U.S. power.

    "Given North Korea's nuclear trade to Syria, its attempts to sell Scuds to Myanmar, and its ongoing sales of conventional arms, there's reason to be worried about a WMD relationship," said Michael Green, who tracked Myanmar as a top adviser to former President George W. Bush. In 2004, Myanmar's military junta was in negotiations to buy Scud missile parts from Pyongyang, but the Bush administration convinced Myanmar to back off.

    Pentagon officials said Monday that the U.S. Navy continues to track a North Korean cargo ship, in an operation that could serve as a test case for U.N. sanctions enacted last month to try to choke off Pyongyang's weapons trade.

    The cargo ship Kang Nam left North Korea on Wednesday and has been trailed by the USS John S. McCain heading south toward the Myanmar coast, according to Pentagon officials. A second U.S. destroyer, the USS McCampbell, is set to pick up the trail with the aid of a P-3 reconnaissance plane.

    Pentagon officials said the guided-missile destroyers haven't been given orders to intercept the Kang Nam and hadn't requested permission to do so. "Right now, we're just watching," a Pentagon official said.

    North Korea analysts said the cat-and-mouse game highlights a potential weakness in last month's U.N. Security Council resolution concerning North Korea. The measure only allows U.N. member states to inspect vessels with the consent of the nation whose flag the ship is flying. Since North Korea is unlikely to give such permission, U.S. officials acknowledge that they are largely powerless to stop and search the Kang Nam. The resolution also calls for ships seeking port services from U.N. member countries to be refused, but that is unlikely to come up in this case.

    U.S. and Asian diplomats have voiced alarm about the growing military and trade relationship between North Korea and Myanmar. The two countries severed diplomatic ties in the 1980s after North Korean agents assassinated South Korean ministers on a state visit. But Myanmar formally opened an embassy in Pyongyang last year.

    In August 2008, Washington worked with the Indian government to deny flyover rights to a North Korean Air Koryo jet, which Washington believed was moving missile components to Iran from Myanmar. Officials from one of North Korea's principal arms companies, Nomchongang Trading Co., have also become active inside Myanmar in recent months, former U.S. officials said.

    Officials at Myanmar's embassies in Bangkok and Washington, D.C., and at the Ministry of Information in Myanmar didn't respond to questions about the country's alleged nuclear ambitions. North Korea has denied selling nuclear equipment.

    Earlier this month, an online magazine of Yale University's Center for the Study of Globalization published photos believed to show tunnels being built under Myanmar's new capital of Naypyitaw with the help of North Korean technicians, ostensibly for military purposes. The accuracy of the photos couldn't be verified.

    Several Myanmar citizens, some of them expatriates, have claimed direct knowledge of a nuclear-weapons program, including a reactor under construction near Maymyo, according to Myanmar experts. But the remote area is off-limits to outsiders without government permission and the reports haven't been independently confirmed.

    Residents in the area say foreign technicians, including from Russia, have visited the town recently. Russia has acknowledged an agreement with Myanmar to help build a nuclear reactor and do civilian nuclear research, but says no projects have materialized.

    Myanmar is a party to the international Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty that went into effect in 1970, and thus has committed not to develop nuclear weapons. It also has reached agreements with the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency to verify that Myanmar isn't diverting nuclear research, material, or technology to make nuclear weapons. Still IAEA officials have privately voiced their concerns about Myanmar's recent purchases of dual-use technologies.

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    Be afraid. Be VERY AFRAID....

    You know, for all we know the freighter is full of rubber duckies.

    Seems to be the newest bugaboo to scare people. Now we're supposed to be afraid the N.Koreans are gonna nuke Honolulu.

    Are you kidding me?!?

    It isn't that easy to make an A-Bomb. It took the US the whole Manhattan Project just to make 3 of them. You need Uranium. You need a breeder reactor. You need a zillion centrifuges. You need high explosive experts and Nuclear scientists. You need rocket scientists and years to figure out how to make the hellish things small enough to put on a rocket.

    Anyone really think Burma has this kind of capability?
    Anyone really believe N.Korea really has what they want us to believe they have? For all we know they packed a couple of tons of high explosive in a cave and detonated it.

    And finally, to N.Korea, Iran, Burma....just try to use one and see what happens to you. I gaurantee your regime will be obliterated.

    And frankly, they know that too. It's all bluff.

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    Re: And Now For Something Completely Different in Thailand ...

    Be on the alert for little Asian men with kimchi breath, in bad suits and sunglasses, asking directions to the Chiang Mai border crossing with Miramar...you know, the one at Mae Sot town on the Moei River.

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    Re: And Now For Something Completely Different in Thailand ...

    I have seen the word Miramar several time in reference to Myanmar (Burma). Am I missing something, or is it a typo?

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    Re: And Now For Something Completely Different in Thailand ...

    One of our most esteemed and "knowledgeable" board members once insisted that "Miramar" was the correct spelling, according to the pronunciation. That same poster insisted that Mae Sot was in Chiang Mai...

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    Well, as Mae Sot is definitely NOT the same thing as Chiang Rai, I have to ask why anyone would defer to this "knowledgeable" persons spelling? This is especially for you Bunny, whom I respect for your knowledge and the "correctness" of most of the information that you supply, even though your delivery of said information is not always politically correct to say the least. I did not post a reply to the suvarnabhumi pronunciation issue in another post, but I have to agree with you that the last syllable is longer but not emphasized. I am curious, just who is this "knowledgeable" person?

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    Chemical warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beach Bunny
    Be on the alert for little Asian men with kimchi breath ....
    Now there is truely a Weapon of Mass Destruction!

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    Re: And Now For Something Completely Different in Thailand ...

    Quote Originally Posted by pyro
    I am curious, just who is this "knowledgeable" person?
    I'm not one to name names or point fingers, but you can read the entire rib-tickling episode here:


    http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com...?hilit=Miramar

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