Ok. But it is Ukraine - country that sold missiles to Iran and nuclear technologies to North Korea. Do you feel yourself better when see #129?Originally Posted by Dragonman
US and EU collaborating with Nazi. Shame.
Ok. But it is Ukraine - country that sold missiles to Iran and nuclear technologies to North Korea. Do you feel yourself better when see #129?
US and EU collaborating with Nazi. Shame.
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1. But it is Ukraine - country that sold missiles to Iran and nuclear technologies to North Korea:
The Ukrainian missiles were sold in 2004 but, in 2019, North Korea tested three missiles that looked very much like Russia's Iskander missile, a short-range, nuclear-capable ballistic missile that has been part of Russia's arsenal for more than a decade (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ia/1163516001/). Ukraine and Russia both offered nuclear technologies to North Korea at different times. Russia recently offered North Korea a nuclear power plant in exchange for North Korea dismantling its nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...573_story.html) (and https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...vladimir-putin).
2. Do you feel yourself better when see #129?:
Not particularly. I did it because there is a saying that people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. You keeping commenting on Ukrainian corruption but Russia seems even more corrupt.
3A. US and EU collaborating with Nazi. Shame:
One more time you mention this, ignoring the actions of Wagner Group and Rusich paramilitary organizations fighting on the Russian side, or, to put in another way, groups with whom Russia is collaborating. Wagner Group mercenaries, from a Russian private military company, who display Nazi symbols are fighting on the Russian side in Donetsk and Luhansk, etc., although running a mercenary army is against the Russian constitution. Using the Wagner Group, however, provides the Putin government with a force which is deniable. Wagner can get involved abroad and the Kremlin can and does say: 'It has nothing to do with us'.
3B. As I noted in an earlier post, "Speaking of Nazis, the Donetsk leader of pro-Russian separatists honored a Russian soldier with Nazi symbols on his uniform for his role in Mariupol" (https://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/s...on-his-uniform). The soldier has been identified as Roman Vorobyov, a Senior Lieutenant of the so-called "Somalia Battalion".
3C. Today's (May 23) Moscow Times (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...spiegel-a77762) is reporting a Der Spiegel article on "Russian Neo-Nazis Participate in ‘Denazifying’ Ukraine," identifying the groups as the Russian Imperial Legion and Rusich groups, "throwing into question Moscow’s claims of “denazifying” its neighbor." It quotes, too, "Their involvement “makes the ostensible reason for war, the so-called ‘denazification’ of Ukraine, absurd,” BND is quoted as saying." The BND is the German foreign intelligence service.
4. Almost everything you post is an example of a person living in a glass house. The saying means that people who have faults should not criticize other people for having the same faults.
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I just remind you: EU and US are collaborating with Nazi. Shame. Do you feel it?
Nowhere in Russia you may see Nazi what are openly parading by central capital streets and national TV translating reports in which public glorifying them, president sends them greetings, parliament adore them and leaders of Nazi sits in parliament.
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No. Why should I? I'm not a citizen of any EU country or of the USA.
Not only do I not feel shame that the EU and the USA are alleged to be collaborating with Nazis because I am neither an EU or a US citizen, I also feel no shame as I don't share the peculiarly Russian definition of Nazism that is now used by Russian state television broadcasters,such as Vladimir Solovyov in his nightly show on Rossiya-1.
Solovyov pontificated: "“Nazism doesn’t necessarily mean antisemitism, as the Americans keep concocting. It can be anti-Slavic, anti-Russian, which is what Ukrainian Nazism is."” See the video at https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...lovyov-news-vn.
Solovyov is a sanctioned Kremlin propagandist who has had two villas seized on Italy's Lake Como - see "Sanctioned Russian TV Host Cries About Losing His Italian Villa" (https://www.thedailybeast.com/sancti...-italian-villa). Apparently his neighbors dislike him so much they launched a petition in 2019 to try to get the local authorities to make sure he didn’t obtain Italian citizenship through his residency. He has also complained about getting his foreign/UK bank accounts frozen. He is also blocked on YouTube.
But, for me, the most interesting point about this new definition is Solovyov's embrace of it is that he was born into a Jewish family. In 2011, he compared the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict to the Holocaust, stating, "A drop of Armenian blood for them is the subject of wild inhuman, I would say, bestial hatred. That is, for me as a Jew, this hatred frankly resembles the tragedy of my people and the Holocaust." Azerbaijani Jews were outraged at this comment - Евреи Азербайджана возмущены заявлениями Владимира Соловьева - https://regnum.ru/news/polit/1463490.html.
The Israeli newspaper Haaretz recently ran a telling headline: "Ukraine War: Why Putin's Propagandists Claim They're the 'New Jews'" (https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/....ews-1.10675492). The lead-in read: "Russia's top propagandists, many of whom have disseminated vicious antisemitism for decades, are now eagerly commandeering Jewish identity and the Holocaust as the next step in the grotesque "Nazi Ukraine" slur."
Do these propagandists feel no shame?
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