The Brink of War?

[dab69]

Yes yes they were wearing funny uniforms and deserved to get their whole country murdered.

What kind of iDIOTS believe this?

What kind of lowlife mentality thinks this is justification?

[Dragonman]

For sure it is proof.

Why you just don't copy image to https://tineye.com you will easy find proof of existence - photos are from funeral of 3 of members Nazi Galicia SS division. Event was in 2014 at time of Maidan at West of Ukraine. There were a lot of angry posts in Twitter from Poland about this event.

For convenience here is big report in Chinese https://chaoglobal.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/19442014/

Also copyrights at the left bottom corner shows source Pavlo Palomarchuk (author) / Galinfo news agency from West of Ukraine https://galinfo.com.ua/

You again wrote disinformation and ideas from own mind.

In an earlier post, you were annoyed that I cited events that were not contemporary with what is happening now in Ukraine. You, however, continue to post material from years past in support of Putin's claim of Nazi influence in contemporary Ukraine, such as photos of a funeral in 2014. The Nazi Galicia SS was a World War II military formation that was largely destroyed in the battle of Brody, reformed, renamed the first division of the Ukrainian National Army and surrendering to the Western Allies by 10 May 1945. Ancient history.

The report in Chinese is from a Mainland Chinese organization, citing an Al Jazeera report from 2014 relating to incidents following former President Yanukovych's removal from office following his impeachment by the Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada Committee.

The original Al Jazeera report noted "Yanukovich, who enraged much of the population by turning away from the European Union to cultivate closer relations with Russia three months ago, made sweeping concessions in the deal brokered by European diplomats on Friday after days of pitched fighting in Kiev that saw police snipers gun down protesters." It also noted "Underscoring Ukraine’s regional divisions, leaders of Russian-speaking eastern provinces loyal to Yanukovich voted to challenge anti-Yanukovich steps by the central parliament. Eastern regional bosses meeting in Kharkiv – the city where Yanukovich had apparently sought refuge – adopted a resolution saying parliament’s moves “in such circumstances cause doubts about their … legitimacy and legality. “Until the constitutional order and lawfulness are restored … we have decided to take responsibility for safeguarding the constitutional order, legality, citizens’ rights and their security on our territories.” Kharkiv Governor Mikhaylo Dobkin told the meeting: “We’re not preparing to break up the country. We want to preserve it” (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2014/...vich-impeached).

Again, however, you are referring to events eight year's ago, not contemporary ones.

The photographs may be copyrighted but they are not dated. A top story yesterday,however, on Galinfo was "Today Lviv will say goodbye to Hero Serhiy Trotsan." The opening text reads, "On June 3, Lviv will say goodbye to the Hero Serhiy Trotsan, who died near Bakhmut in the Donetsk region, defending the Motherland from Russian invaders." The article also carried the following statement from the Administration of the Mayor "Eugene Boyko: "We ask Lviv residents to take to the streets between 11:30 and 12:00 to attend the funeral procession to honor the Hero. We must pay tribute to those who gave their most valuable lives for us. guests of the city to join. During the funeral, please refrain from holding entertainment events or celebrations. Trotsan's motto was ""It's not scary to die, it's scary to lose comrades." He died in the fight against the Russian occupiers near the city of Bakhmut, Donetsk region. He was aged 27. (https://galinfo-com-ua.translate.goo...m_386075.html?).

Some more contemporary photos, etc., please.



Galinfo also carries an article headed "Vladimir Gulima: Some Russian soldiers in the army saw a warm toilet for the first time," that notes that wealthy St. Petersburgers and Muscovites manage to avoid conscription so that "Those who live in the countryside serve in the Russian army. Those who do not know what sewerage is, what cultural institutions are. For most Russian youth, the army is the most significant event in their lives. There they saw for the first time a larger circle of people, a kind of civilization, some saw bed linen, a warm toilet for the first time, and so on. That's why it makes a strong impression on them. Their army remained the stage that will be remembered for a lifetime" (https://galinfo-com-ua.translate.goo...t_384919.html?).
You stated "You again wrote disinformation and ideas from own mind." No, I always give the sources on which I base my comments - unlike you.

[Dragonman]

Today EU made most funny declaration about Ukraine. https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/p...ian-territory/

Let me remind you coup what EU calls "democratic elections"

It was a people's coup, aka revolution, something like that in Russia in 1917

There is an English-language expression that is a version of an old Spanish saying about the "pot calling the kettle black." It means something you say that means people should not criticize someone else for a fault that they have themselves.

"Russia election: Putin's party wins election marred by fraud claims, 20 September 2021 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58614227). "Russian President Vladimir Putin's party has won a parliamentary majority following an election marred by reports of fraud." The report states, "With almost all of the votes counted, the United Russia party had won nearly 50% of the vote, marking a slight drop in support from the previous election. Mr Putin's biggest critics were barred from running, and there were reports of ballot stuffing and forced voting. Russia's electoral commission rejected claims of widespread irregularities."

"Russian elections once again had a suspiciously neat result. Opponents were jailed and barred. For good measure, the authorities cheated at the polls too," https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...ly-neat-result.

Many similar reports on Google.

Russia is ranked as the #134 (Authoritarian regime) most democratic country in the world according to the Democracy Index. Ukraine is ranked #86 (Hybrid regime). Taiwan is ranked #8 (Full democracy). Talk to me convincingly about democratic elections.

[Dragonman]

Dragonman, I for one, have to say, your responses to Moses have always been on-point and very concise. I enjoy your debating skills and am impressed with your thoroughness in separating fact from fiction. Thank you very much for helping to clear the air and setting the record straight.

In Taiwan, we are used to dealing with disinformation - which Stalin originated as дезинформация or dezinformatsiya.

Almost all of it comes from the People's Republic of China's "content farms" and fake accounts targeting Taiwanese on social media. Recently, they have been targeting the country's COVID-19 measures as well as altering posts on Taiwan’s most popular online bulletin board system, targeting Taiwanese on Facebook, and so on.

Taiwan's Investigation Bureau (part of the Ministry of Justice) and its Information and Communication Security Division are very conscious that this is part of the CPC's "cognitive warfare" campaign against the country. They try to ensure that all social media users are aware of the dangers of fake news and disinformation. The Bureau in particular urges ordinary people to try to verify any content they access online, especially before sharing it, as otherwise they might contravene the law by spreading fake news without due diligence.

That is what I try to do here with Moses' postings.

The Russian Federation's President Putin, on March 18th of this year, signed two laws (Law No.31-FZ and Law No.27-FZ) limiting access to foreign media and imposing a jail term of up to 15 years for spreading intentionally "fake" news about the military, thus stepping up the information war over the conflict in Ukraine. Russian officials have repeatedly said that "false information" has been spread by Russia's enemies such as the United States and its Western European allies in an attempt to sow discord among the Russian people (see, e.g., https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...my-2022-03-04/). The laws effectively constitute censorship - which the Russian Federation's Constitution forbids in Paragraph 5 of Article 29. But what's a Constitution to a President like Putin?

The laws don't define "fake news" except as information considered as "unreliable information" by Russian authorities. As I consider much of what Moses posts as "unreliable information," I feel that my comments are in the spirit of Russian law.

[Moses]

Yes yes they were wearing funny uniforms and deserved to get their whole country murdered.

What kind of iDIOTS believe this?

What kind of lowlife mentality thinks this is justification?

Yes-yes... just reminder: June 2, year 2014, Ukrainian aircraft bombing Lugansk city, central square of peaceful city

[Moses]

It was a people's coup, aka revolution, something like that in Russia in 1917

Yes. And right after Russian revolution in 1918 UK, US, Canada and even Australia + 10 more countries intervened into Russia for to terminate revolution.

[Moses]

It is very shameful to publish here this obvious fake with nazi symbols.

First stage is always denial... I understand you: "It cannot be true". But it is.

Here is full report of Galician news agency with original photos. They show Nazi adepts of Ukraine in full colors. https://galinfo.com.ua/photo/na_lviv...to_138749.html
one more https://lb.ua/news/2017/07/24/372205...ahoronili.html

you for sure may read Ukrainian. They are proud to use SS symbols. At the event one of speeches held real veteran of Galicia SS division.

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[Andy]

First stage is always denial... I understand you: "It cannot be true". But it is.

Even if the images a real i beleave it is just a group of idiots. I think that such narrow-minded people could be found in Russia and even in Germany as well. But it is for sure not the reason to invade and ruin all country.

[Moses]

Even if the images a real i beleave it is just a group of idiots. I think that such narrow-minded people could be found in Russia and even in Germany as well.

Sure. But there is difference: such idiot spend time in prisons in Russia, some even died there. But in Ukraine such idiots controling country, marching parades in the center of Kiev and forming battalions in Ukrainian army. They are marginals in Russia, but not in Ukraine - there they are mainstream.

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[Andy]

Maybe then, this is an internal problem of Ukraine, and not ours? And why should we here in Russia sacrifice our future for this "denazification"?