23 died in Norway after vaccination by Pfizer

[Brad the Impala]

It is news from Jan 14 and published to late to be reprinted. Wait for today, but I doubt you will find it in global news - they are happy to publish news about "COVID crisis" in China with 30 new sick persons and shut their mouth about 1500+ daily died in UK or 4000+ in USA.

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I don’t know what you are reading but the daily death toll in UK and US is headlines every day in most news sources. Far from “shut their mouth”. You seem to be on a bit of an anti western crusade!

[goji]

Norway has 23 deaths out of 25,000

Then, who are they vaccinating ? If it is over 80s, I guess the annual death rate would be over 10%, so 2500 per year. That's 48 per week.

Even if my assumptions are a little out, we can dial them back a long way before 23 deaths looks seriously abnormal.

It's always important to consider the "base rate". In this case, what range of death rates can be expected without the vaccine ?

[StevieWonders]

Bloomberg are now reporting this story, with updated figures -

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...der-rise-to-29

[cdnmatt]

Ok, they're all 75+ years old, and all have existing "serious basic disorders", so...

29 dead out of 42,000 = 0.0694% fatality rate, and that's if 75% years old with serious pre-existing condition.

That sounds a little more realistic than, "OMG, Pfizer vaccine is killing 1 out of every 1000 Norwegians" as Moses purported.

[Moses]

Ok, they're all 75+ years old, and all have existing "serious basic disorders", so...

29 dead out of 42,000 = 0.0694% fatality rate, and that's if 75% years old with serious pre-existing condition.

That sounds a little more realistic than, "OMG, Pfizer vaccine is killing 1 out of every 1000 Norwegians" as Moses purported.

It is even less than 1 of 1000, because at day of original publication Norway had 25000 vaccinated, not 42000. So 29 out of 25000 = 1 of 862

About "more realistic rate 0.0694%": by fact it is 0.069%. If you will immunize US with such fatality rate, you will kill 226,485 if US has the same ratio of people over 75 in population.

[cdnmatt]

If you will immunize US with such fatality rate, you will kill 226,485

You're either being intentionally malicious, or you're not very good at math.

Besides, you think the Pfizer vaccine contains dead monkeys, so whatever...

[goji]

If you will immunize US with such fatality rate, you will kill 226,485 if US has the same ratio of people over 75 in population.

Kill is the wrong word here.
The first thing we need to do is work out how many of the Norwegian sample would have died anyway, vaccine or no vaccine. If we take 25,000 people over 80, quite a few of them can be expected to die each day even in normal circumstances.

So are there excess deaths after the vaccine ?

If do, then calculate their risk of death over the next 12 months, including the effect of covid. At this point, I imagine the vaccine would be beneficial for almost all, except the very frail.

[Moses]

Kill is the wrong word here.
The first thing we need to do is work out how many of the Norwegian sample would have died anyway, vaccine or no vaccine. If we take 25,000 people over 80, quite a few of them can be expected to die each day even in normal circumstances.

There are clearly stated in news: 23 died and 13 "events" for sure are linked to vaccination, rest are under investigation.

[StevieWonders]

Kill is the wrong word here.
The first thing we need to do is work out how many of the Norwegian sample would have died anyway, vaccine or no vaccine. If we take 25,000 people over 80, quite a few of them can be expected to die each day even in normal circumstances.

When examining anything at all where both X and Y are present, the first thing to remember is that co-incidence does not equal causation.

[Uranus]

All these deaths happened in nursing homes for the frail and elderly. And as of last week all residents of nursing homes across the country were injected with the first jab of the Pfizer vaccine. In a normal week there are 400 deaths nationwide in nursing homes.