well, it's fast translation by GoogleOriginally Posted by arsenal
in Russian Gorbi says something like "David, now you will be known as a men who destroyed the Union (flashback to Union of Soviet Republics history)
well, it's fast translation by Google
in Russian Gorbi says something like "David, now you will be known as a men who destroyed the Union (flashback to Union of Soviet Republics history)
You reckon?!
Make that a few decades
It is really really simple, the UK will miss out on being part of a bigger Europe. A market with over 200 million people is simply bigger and more influential than when the UK alone needs to negotiate trade deals for instance.
Personally I believe whoever voted leave didn't really use their brains. A Brexit will NOT stop immigration, the only thing that it will do is give the UK control back over parts of legislation that was now dictated in Brussel. Personally the price they are going to pay is way to high for that small advantage.
It is hillarious how key people from the Brexit campaign have already pulled a fast one on promises that they suddenly can't keep. And Boris and his access to the internal European market, what the hell was he thinking, they won't get that access without a very steep price, and rightly so.
Edit: maybe I wasn't entirely fair. Brexit might in fact reduce immigration, but not for the reasons the Brexit people intended, it might just be that the UK will become a less desireable destination for immigrants
Justaguy - I'm sure the EU market is actually more like 500 million.
500 million IS over 200 millionAccording to wikipedia it's 508.2 million give or take
Brussels rejects Boris Johnson 'pipe dream' over single market access
Diplomats dismiss idea UK could stay in single market without obeying the rules, and German BDI also pushes back at claims
Jennifer Rankin in Brussels and Philip Oltermann in Berlin
Monday 27 June 2016
European diplomats have dismissed claims from Boris Johnson that the UK could negotiate access to the EU single market without obeying any of the rules.
“You cannot have your cake and eat it,” said an EU diplomat, echoing a phrase the former mayor of London used during the campaign and which looks set to come back to haunt him.... (read more)...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...cess?CMP=fb_gu
Devastating article about the lying, shaggy-topped Boris in The Daily Beast headed Beware Boris Johnson: The Power of a Cunning Clown.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/27/beware-boris-johnson-the-power-of-a-cunning-clown.html?via=mobile&source=emailBoris, I fear, belongs to a peculiarly dangerous British type—a type that, in my days as the editor of Tatler in the 1980s, I christened the Gentleman Hack, “hostile to facts and even more hostile to investigation" . . .
His dress tries to denote the aristocratic reach-me-down tradition—hence the goose-shit green corduroy trousers, which he always teams with one of his two detached collar shirts... Unfortunately, deep down, the gentleman hack is very very ambitious, hence his hatred of meritocracy. Indeed, he is possessed by a hard and desperate longing for money, rank and recognition. How can he achieve this and conserve his image of cordial irrelevance? It can be done.”
And it was.
. . . according to Johnson’s inner circle, before he came out for Brexit, he assured Prime Minister David Cameron that he would stand with him firmly for Remain.
Johnson’s fake disarray—his bonhomous tanker of beer and Falstaffian spilling gut, his genial, jokey façade concealing a deeply opportunistic nature—allowed him alliances with such odious figures as UKIP’s xenophobic leader, Nigel Farage, whose rat poison salesman persona would never have won Brexit without the fig leaf of Boris’s charm . . .
The core of the Gentleman Hack is his fundamental lack of seriousness. No wonder the day after the vote, as markets crashed, the PM resigned, and Scotland announced it might hold another referendum to break away from the U.K., Boris looked mildly rueful, even chagrined.I’m reasonably sure he never dreamed that Brexit would actually succeed. Like the Republican blowhards who demand that the IRS and the EPA be abolished, secure in the knowledge that it ain’t gonna happen, Brexit for Boris was an indulgence in purely gestural politics. It was meant to advance his leadership prospects with the right of his party in time for the next election. Now he’s like the dog that caught the car. Having trashed the brakes and the steering wheel, he now finds he might have to drive the thing
. . . All hail the next prime minister of the United (though maybe not for long) Kingdom.
That's all very well, but if there's blame being apportioned then it lies at the feet of:
A) The British media who have fostered and feasted on not just xenophobia but downright racism. It's expected of course from the odious right wing press like the Daily Mail (whose owners supported Hitler) and the equally repellant Daily Express - both of which increasingly seem to vie with each other to see who can come closest to Der Sturmer, but it includes tv stations like Channel 5 on which it seems every 3rd programme is about "migrant benefit scroungers". Of course you'll hear the cry that not all Brexiteers are racists but its undeniably true that all racists are Brexiteers.
B) Cameron himself - this was a referendum that simply didn't have to happen in the first place and was only offered to prevent UKIP hoovering up the right wing Tory vote. The irony is that in giving them the air of publicity, they not only hoovered up much of the right wing Tory vote but a good deal of the working class Labour vote too.
Farage is a total dick leading a party with 1 MP and who cannot even get himself elected - yet he has been feted by the media at every utterance and invited on to top current affairs tv programmes with a regularity which is alarming.
Boris is a buffoon (I don't believe it's an act as the above article suggests - he really IS thick) who has achieved what he has achieved by virtue of the fact that the English (and I say English because the rest of the UK sees right through him) love a clown (Eddie the Eagle anybody?) and the fact that he and his family have sufficient money to buy the influence which has been necessary to get a 10th rate politician up the greasy pole.
So there!
Faranglaw (June 28th, 2016)
... the EU itself, which favours its policies over people.
Maybe we will continue conversation about Brexit?
arsenal (June 28th, 2016)
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