Could some of you quit being such creeps?

[latintopxxx]

now we have racism accusations flung around, what a hoot. I really dont care what colour they are, from my previous posts its well known that im a globe trotting MB conniseur and my tastes encompass brown/yellow skinned Asians, white/coffee coloured Brazilians to blond/red haired East europeans.
And yes, lots of my grindr messages are MB selling their sexual services who have the audacity to assume that I pay for sex. The NERVE!!
So some of us enjoy that master/servant fantasy....so what?? Im sure that the MB have seen it all and done it all and most of their indignation is play acting.
If some tart agrees to meet up with me for a 2 hour "sex date" and has agreed that he does everything I have asked for before hand...then I expect that...and if I dont get it I do get highly (play acting) annoyed...and im not afraid to show it.

[cdnmatt]

Ok, your basic comprehension level seems to be lacking a little.

If they're a hooker, then ok... agree on a price & location, hook up, etc. No problem.

But if it's for example, with a nanotechnologist, asking how much for a soapy shower video crosses the line a little, don't you think?

And that's just the most absurd example. I have loads of examples. Some of these guys are poor as dirt, but they're not willing to take their pants off for you just because you happen to have 10,000 baht in your wallet.

If you can't figure out how to distinguish between who is and isn't a MB, then stick to the gogo bars. It makes it easy for you.

[arsenal]

Moral high ground Matt? Be careful up there. It's a long fall down.

[cdnmatt]

Moral high ground Matt? Be careful up there. It's a long fall down.

No, not too worried about falling, because as it turns out, I'm not an asshole.

Really, even when I just get together with a hooker, I sometimes have to chat with them an extra 15 minutes to convince them I'm a decent guy who isn't going to rape them.

And those are the hookers. Not to mention the couple guys I do genuinely care about. They tell me lots of neat stories, so it's no surprise us white folk have a pretty shitty stereotype here in Thailand.

[Gaybutton]

cdnmatt, I agree with the point you made in your OP, but how would you know what other people are saying to these boys on the hook-up sites?

[cdnmatt]

but how would you know what other people are saying to these boys on the hook-up sites?

Because they tell me?

[fountainhall]

Because they tell me?

If a guy I am chatting with is not a money boy, I find he will often tell me he is tired of some farang who just assume he's looking for cash. Unless a guy says he is a masseur or an MB in his profile or states he is looking for cash within the first few exchanges, I think it is wrong to assume that his services can be bought (with Pattaya perhaps an exception).

[Marsilius]

...Isn't it the politically correct ghost haunting us here, telling us that it's wrong that an older (presumably richer! Uhhh!) white male is not allowed to be the top in bed with a younger, beautiful (and presumably poorer) non-white guy (or girl for that matter)? That many of us are lost in this politically correct mind trap where we judge each other and make political things out of things that are in fact more to be treated as aesthetics? ...Sex is by definition colliding with all ideals of political correctness. Politically correct porn would probably be the most boring kind of porn that was ever produced....

For those of us somewhat older than you, RiceConnoisseur, Political Correctness has actually helped bring about some real positive changes in our lives.

While probably nothing will ever eradicate entrenched bigotry from a small minority of people, Political Correctness has been a big factor in eliminating the very widespread casual racism, sexism and homophobia that pervaded society until, I would say, the 1990s. I well recall that, in the UK in the 1960s, racist attitudes - not necessarily meant to be nasty but very much of the "them and us" variety - were the norm, even among otherwise very pleasant people. With the introduction of the Race Relations Act, preventing people from expressing racist views in public, first a general consciousness and then a consensus gradually developed that racism was wrong. Subsequent similar PC legislation also led public opinion away from knee-jerk negative assumptions about women and, latterly, gay people.

Political Correctness gets a bad press these days. Sometimes it may seem to go too far - but that's what the racists said in the 1960s and one man's "too far" is another man's "that's the right thing to do". I, for one, raise a glass to PC for the success it's had in making the expression of anti-gay (and racist and sexist) attitudes unacceptable to increasingly large numbers of people. And once people don't hear others expressing such views as commonplace, those views themselves gradual cease to be majority opinion and instead become those of an increasingly isolated and despised minority.

[cdnmatt]

It has nothing to do with politcal correctness. It has to do with being a decent human being.

I mean, if you're in Pattaya and some cute 22yo hits you up and says how much he wants to meet, them ok... that would be a hooker, and have fun.

But if you're some asshole just cruising around Issan, chatting up guys at various universities, then at least have the common decency to get to know them a bit before you ask "how much?".

[christianpfc]

Unless the profile says or gives strong hints that he is a money boy, I don't talk about money or sexual activities (but reply if the boy starts) and don't offer money.

But if it's for example, with a nanotechnologist, asking how much for a soapy shower video crosses the line a little, don't you think?

And that's just the most absurd example. I have loads of examples. Some of these guys are poor as dirt, but they're not willing to take their pants off for you just because you happen to have 10,000 baht in your wallet.

Does he write in his profile that he is a nanotechnolgist? Regardless of that, I have met plenty of boys who go to university, but ask for money for sex.

On the other hand, there are some who are not interested or ask for unreasonable amounts. One boy rejected an offer of 500 three times (weeks apart) and asked for 1000. I asked a boy Y who went with me for 500 several times about his friend N: N is not interested.

In April I was chatting with a boy for a while, and before making the trip from Sathorn to Pinklao to meet him, I asked if he is a moneyboy (if yes, I would have cancelled). He was indignated.

And then there are boys who divulge that they are moneyboys late in chat or even only when you meet. My favorite example is the boy I hooked up with in DJ-station in 2013, we went to his room in Sathorn (I was living far away at that time), and when we were undressed to underwear, he told me he is a money boy. I got dressed, said goodbye and left.

This online dating, with or without money, is full of traps for both side.

Really, even when I just get together with a hooker, I sometimes have to chat with them an extra 15 minutes to convince them I'm a decent guy who isn't going to rape them.

I never had any problem with money boys. But boys who are not (or just didn't tell me) can be difficult, I clearly remember just two cases in all the years, in one case I gave up, the other is reported here: http://christianpfc.blogspot.de/2015...xhausting.html

Your profile must be pretty creepy, if you have problems convincing to hookers to meet you!