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Thread: As he'd tell you, it's the story, not the teller

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    English is their second language
    But then the same could be said for an island across the "English Channel".

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    Yes, I know all about the Harvard Law School speech. It was very big news in America, but it is not homophobic. He was talking about the first Amendment and freedom of speech. He was railing against political correctness. Not homophobic or racist. I would hope that all of you would have spoken against the white power stucture in the South, at the turn of the century, where the press justified lynching, and it was politically correct to be a racist. I hope all of you would have spoken out against police raids on gay bars in the 1950's when gay bashing was politically correct, and I hope all of you would have spoken out against Senator McCarthy in the early 50's in America when it was political correct to attack anyone with different views as a communist. That is what Heston said and I have to agree with him--up to a point.
    My apologies to Homointern, who always says to check google. Yes homophobe is now a word. My dictionary was printed in 1999---Duhhhhh.
    Oh course, the last sentence is completely wrong. You all know what I meant to say, so shoot me.

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    Yes, I know all about the Harvard Law School speech. It was very big news in America, but it is not homophobic. He was talking about the first Amendment and freedom of speech. He was railing against political correctness. Not homophobic or racist. I would hope that all of you would have spoken against the white power stucture in the South, at the turn of the century, where the press justified lynching, and it was politically correct to be a racist. I hope all of you would have spoken out against police raids on gay bars in the 1950's when gay bashing was politically correct, and I hope all of you would have spoken out against Senator McCarthy in the early 50's in America when it was political correct to attack anyone with different views as a communist. That is what Heston said and I have to agree with him--up to a point.
    My apologies to Homointern, who always says to check google. Yes homophobe is now a word. My dictionary was printed in 1999---Duhhhhh.
    Oh course, the last sentence is completely wrong. You all know what I meant to say, so shoot me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khor tose
    You all know what I meant to say, so shoot me.
    Where do we form the queue? As Heston was president of the National Rifle Association it seems rather apposite

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    We hate to queue in America, and that is the second amendment, which is an entirely different discussion.

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    Re: As he'd tell you, it's the story, not the teller

    Quote Originally Posted by Khor tose
    He acted with hundreds of gays and in his big break out movie--Ben Hur--he worked closely with Gore Vidal who has never had anything bad to say about Heston. Being a conservative does not make you homophobic anymore then being labor (like Blair) makes you Brits all war mongers.
    Heston denied a claim by Gore Vidal, who wrote the screenplay for Ben Hur, that the writer included a gay sub-text, between the two main characters, to the script but did not tell Heston.

    Heston also refused to accept the historical fact that Michaelangelo was homosexual when he played the artist in 'The Agony and the Ecstasy'

    Both denials by Heston were presumably for fear of being labeled a homosexual for playing such characters in the films.

    These two denials alone make him a homophobe in my eyes.

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    Thank goodness Her Majesty has granted us the right to queue without needing a written constitution. Seems that, that sort of thing is just a precursor to persecution by lawyers.

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    That scene between Heston and Stephen Boyd is one of my favorite scenes of all time. Yes, it is incredibly gay, and I've heard Gore Vidal talk about that scene and how they dared not tell Heston what was going on. However, if you watch the scene you can see that Heston is clearly confused and really did not understand what Boyd was doing.
    I am in my early sixties and clearly remember the time in America when "Gays did not exist." Heston is that generation older then me. I do not know how it was in England in those days, but in America no one talked about gays or saw people as gay. Give the man a break or try to understand how bad things where in America. We did not have Oscar Wilde, or any other favorite poofs(?) Is is so easy to forget now that then, even the very popular Liberace was not considered gay. Not seeing people as gay is just part of his (and sadly) my generation.
    By the way in the documentary "The History of Gays in Hollywood", we find that there were many other scenes with gay themes in some of the movies dating back to the silent films. No-one, but gays ever noticed these scenes. You just did not see gay people in those days as they did not exist in America. Yes, Americans in those days had the same mentality that the President of Iran has today.

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