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    A Call for Manners in the World of Nasty Blogs

    The New York Times has an interesting article in today's paper on cleaning up the behaviour of people who post comments to blogs. After reading it I think it is highly relevant for the conduct for all internet forums, including this one. Elephantspike may be particualry interested in reading the comments about cyberbullying and the tatic used by some malcontents of using another's name to establish a blog to mock and bully them. Shades of Beryl's blogs here on Sawatdee, using my name, to belittle me, eh Robert?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/techn ... =1&_r=1&hp

    Is it too late to bring civility to the Web?

    The conversational free-for-all on the Internet known as the blogosphere can be a prickly and unpleasant place. Now, a few high-profile figures in high-tech are proposing a blogger code of conduct to clean up the quality of online discourse.

    Last week, Tim OтАЩReilly, a conference promoter and book publisher who is credited with coining the term Web 2.0, began working with Jimmy Wales, creator of the communal online encyclopedia Wikipedia, to create a set of guidelines to shape online discussion and debate.

    Chief among the recommendations is that bloggers consider banning anonymous comments left by visitors to their pages and be able to delete threatening or libelous comments without facing cries of censorship.

    A recent outbreak of antagonism among several prominent bloggers тАЬgives us an opportunity to change the level of expectations that people have about whatтАЩs acceptable online,тАЭ said Mr. OтАЩReilly, who posted the preliminary recommendations last week on his company blog (radar.oreilly.com). Mr. Wales then put the proposed guidelines on his companyтАЩs site (blogging.wikia.com), and is now soliciting comments in the hope of creating consensus around what constitutes civil behavior online.

    Mr. OтАЩReilly and Mr. Wales talk about creating several sets of guidelines for conduct and seals of approval represented by logos. For example, anonymous writing might be acceptable in one set; in another, it would be discouraged. Under a third set of guidelines, bloggers would pledge to get a second source for any gossip or breaking news they write about.

    Bloggers could then pick a set of principles and post the corresponding badge on their page, to indicate to readers what kind of behavior and dialogue they will engage in and tolerate. The whole system would be voluntary, relying on the community to police itself.

    тАЬIf itтАЩs a carefully constructed set of principles, it could carry a lot of weight even if not everyone agrees,тАЭ Mr. Wales said.

    The code of conduct already has some early supporters, including David Weinberger, a well-known blogger (hyperorg.com/blogger) and a fellow at the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard Law School. тАЬThe aim of the code is not to homogenize the Web, but to make clearer the informal rules that are already in place anyway,тАЭ he said.

    But as with every other electrically charged topic on the Web, finding common ground will be a serious challenge. Some online writers wonder how anyone could persuade even a fraction of the millions of bloggers to embrace one set of standards. Others say that the code smacks of restrictions on free speech.

    Mr. Wales and Mr. OтАЩReilly were inspired to act after a firestorm erupted late last month in the insular community of dedicated technology bloggers. In an online shouting match that was widely reported, Kathy Sierra, a high-tech book author from Boulder County, Colo., and a friend of Mr. OтАЩReilly, reported getting death threats that stemmed in part from a dispute over whether it was acceptable to delete the impolitic comments left by visitors to someoneтАЩs personal Web site.

    Distraught over the threats and manipulated photos of her that were posted on other critical sites тАФ including one that depicted her head next to a noose тАФ Ms. Sierra canceled a speaking appearance at a trade show and asked the local police for help in finding the source of the threats. She also said that she was considering giving up blogging altogether.

    In an interview, she dismissed the argument that cyberbullying is so common that she should overlook it. тАЬI canтАЩt believe how many people are saying to me, тАШGet a life, this is the Internet,тАЩ тАЭ she said. тАЬIf thatтАЩs the case, how will we ever recognize a real threat?тАЭ

    Ms. Sierra said she supported the new efforts to improve civility on the Web. The police investigation into her case is pending.

    Menacing behavior is certainly not unique to the Internet. But since the Web offers the option of anonymity with no accountability, online conversations are often more prone to decay into ugliness than those in other media.

    Nowadays, those conversations often take place on blogs. At last count, there were 70 million of them, with more than 1.4 million entries being added daily, according to Technorati, a blog-indexing company. For the last decade, these Web journals have offered writers a way to amplify their voices and engage with friends and readers.

    But the same factors that make those unfiltered conversations so compelling, and impossible to replicate in the offline world, also allow them to spin out of control.

    As many female bloggers can attest, women are often targets. Heather Armstrong, a blogger in Salt Lake City who writes publicly about her family (dooce.com), stopped accepting unmoderated comments on her blog two years ago after she found that conversations among visitors consistently devolved into vitriol.

    Since last October, she has also had to deal with an anonymous blogger who maintains a separate site that parodies her writing and has included photos of Ms. ArmstrongтАЩs daughter, copied from her site.

    Ms. Armstrong tries not to give the site public attention, but concedes that, тАЬAt first, it was really difficult to deal with.тАЭ

    Women are not the only targets of nastiness. For the last four years, Richard Silverstein has advocated for Israeli-Palestinian peace on a blog (richardsilverstein.com) that he maintains from Seattle.

    People who disagree with his politics frequently leave harassing comments on his site. But the situation reached a new low last month, when an anonymous opponent started a blog in Mr. SilversteinтАЩs name that included photos of Mr. Silverstein in a pornographic context.

    тАЬIтАЩve been assaulted and harassed online for four years,тАЭ he said. тАЬMost of it I can take in stride. But you just never get used to that level of hatred.тАЭ

    One public bid to improve the quality of dialogue on the Web came more than a year ago when Mena Trott, a co-founder of the blogging software company Six Apart, proposed elevating civility on the Internet in a speech she gave at a French blog conference. At the event, organizers had placed a large screen on the stage showing instant electronic responses to the speeches from audience members and those who were listening in online.

    As Ms. Trott spoke about improving online conduct, a heckler filled the screen with personal insults. Ms Trott recalled тАЬlosing itтАЭ during the speech.

    Ms. Trott has scaled back her public writing and now writes a blog for a limited audience of friends and family. тАЬYou canтАЩt force people to be civil, but you can force yourself into a situation where anonymous trolls are not in your life as much,тАЭ she said.

    The preliminary recommendations posted by Mr. Wales and Mr. OтАЩReilly are based in part on a code developed by BlogHer, a network for women designed to give them blogging tools and to guide readers to their pages.

    тАЬAny community that does not make it clear what they are doing, why they are doing it, and who is welcome to join the conversation is at risk of finding it difficult to help guide the conversation later,тАЭ said Lisa Stone, who created the guidelines and the BlogHer network in 2006 with Elisa Camahort and Jory Des Jardins.

    A subtext of both sets of rules is that bloggers are responsible for everything that appears on their own pages, including comments left by visitors. They say that bloggers should also have the right to delete such comments if they find them profane or abusive.

    That may sound obvious, but many Internet veterans believe that blogs are part of a larger public sphere, and that deleting a visitorтАЩs comment amounts to an assault on their right to free speech. It is too early to gauge support for the proposal, but some online commentators are resisting.

    Robert Scoble, a popular technology blogger who stopped blogging for a week in solidarity with Kathy Sierra after her ordeal became public, says the proposed rules тАЬmake me feel uncomfortable.тАЭ He adds, тАЬAs a writer, it makes me feel like I live in Iran.тАЭ

    Mr. OтАЩReilly said the guidelines were not about censorship. тАЬThat is one of the mistakes a lot of people make тАФ believing that uncensored speech is the most free, when in fact, managed civil dialogue is actually the freer speech,тАЭ he said. тАЬFree speech is enhanced by civility.тАЭ
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    the answer is yes !!

    "Is it too late to bring civility to the Web?"

    the net has given every f***wit the opportunity to shine and be as rude and common as they dare.

    I mention no names ( although the blog run by H***A is a great example)..here an ordinary retired Public Servant ( that's what they're called in Australia--Civil Servant to you & I).. after taking early retirement ( during a staff purge) can re-invent himself as a noted Chicago Banker dealing with the complexities of the futures, options etc--and having never had the chance to say BOO to a goose, can finaly let rip, castigate his detractors ( everyone) and live in his own fantasy world !! :cheers: :cheers:

    The real question should be "how long will blogs last ?'..and the answer is..not much longer.
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    I take it this is the same topic as ...

    ... http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... 11272.html - although I have my niece Tourette permanently on {Ignore} these days so reading something posted by Aunty is not possible. However I think you are mistaken, Lunchtime. Hedda was something medical in real life (BP - Before Pattaya), as is ... Aunty ... although, as we know, Aunty's brain feels most comfortable with other single-cell organisms which is why Tourette's life's work has been spent Among The Amoebae

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    Re: I take it this is the same topic as ...

    Quote Originally Posted by homintern
    .Hedda was something medical in real life (BP - Before Pattaya)
    Not a loss claims adjuster for the insurance industry?

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    Re: I take it this is the same topic as ...

    Quote Originally Posted by homintern
    Hedda was something medical in real life (BP - Before Pattaya),
    Or something in a specimen jar perhaps?

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    Re: I take it this is the same topic as ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric
    Quote Originally Posted by homintern
    Hedda was something medical in real life (BP - Before Pattaya),
    Or something in a specimen jar perhaps?
    But not an amoeba :bounce:

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    Single celled power

    Leave the amoeba in peace won't you?
    Planaria and amoeba happen to be very exciting and rewarding things, my biology is not what it used to be but still these organisms, animals, deeply inspired my life in the very lonely and cold corridors of biology labs as a school boy. I spent many happy, engrossed and meditative hours doing their portraits in pencil and contemplating their fascinating lives. They swam, morphed and slid very patiently in the confines of a petri dish under the bright lights of a microscope, ever uncomplaining as I endlessly sliced and diced crudely with the blunt point of a scalpel, this way and that.

    It was only the chance discovery of a hydra in the same dish with its somewhat more complicated and interesting method of killing its prey and reproducing that gave them some brief respite. However even after progressing from dissecting frogs to rats I returned, always, to the amoeba for inspiration. Such was my inspiration that I formulated a precocious (I was a mere 14yrs old) and off the wall theory of evolution, allowing me to skip a long and tedious extra year of schooling in a climate and country that threatened to break my spirit altogether. All thanks to the glorious and ever compelling single celled amoeba.

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