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    How Russia Stole and Ruined its Only Aircraft Carrier


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    Bullshit. It was constructed in USSR. By agreement btw Russia and all formerly Soviet republics Russia took on own account all debts of USSR in exchange on all USSR properties.

    Ukraine has no money to pay for such ship. It is country-beggar. Even now (I mean pre-conflict time) it lives on donation. It had no one year after 2005 when it was profitable (I mean trade balance). Balance is always negative https://index.minfin.com.ua/economy/gdp/eximp/ (official site of ministry of finances)

    Country of thieves and bribe takers - each new premier minister is worse when previous. Ukrainian premier minister Lazarenko even spend 10 years in the prison in US. That figure appears in a Transparency International Global Corruption report, in which the anti-graft agency ranked Lazarenko eighth out of the world's 10 most corrupt politicians in the previous two decades.

    At least half of weapon and ammo that West sends to Ukraine, will be stolen and sold to different bandits groups worldwide. Like they sold ballistic missiles to Iran at past when Iran was under strict international sanctions, like they sold nuclear technologies to North Korea.

    Every year army warehouses in Ukraine explodes and burns for to cover their criminal actions.

    Ichnya 2018. 23 days of blasts and explosions:

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    Every year army warehouses in Ukraine explodes and burns for to cover their criminal actions.

    Ichnya 2018. 23 days of blasts and explosions:

    Every year army warehouses in Ukraine explodes and burns for to cover their criminal actions: A serious allegation for which you advance no proof.

    Rather like similar explosions in Russia. For example, "Massive explosion at Russian military arsenal" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK_WDxjhu0Y and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2xlqXLJuBc. "Huge fire balls followed by delayed sonic booms were caught on camera in Siberia after a fire at a Russia military storage base. One person was killed and at least seven more were injured when the fire triggered huge explosions that sent shrapnel flying. Thousands of local residents were evacuated from nearby neighborhoods." That was on on August 6, 2019. On August 9th, explosions again rocked the ammunition depot in Siberia, injuring nine people, according to the state-run TASS news agency (https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/blast...iberia/1553805). The military base is near the city of Achinsk,184 kilometers west of Krasnoyarsk. Twice in one week. Whose criminal actions did it cover?

    Ichnya 2018. 23 days of blasts and explosions: Ichnya was suspected to be sabotage - "Deputy commander of the General Staff, Rodyon Tymoshenko, told a news conference the incident began with four explosions across the depot. The intensity of the blasts suggests that it was most probably sabotage," (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45794963). The same BBC report continues: Ammunition depot explosions have happened before in Ukraine, as the country continues its fight against pro-Russian separatists in its eastern regions.In September 2017, 28,000 people were evacuated after a huge fire raged at a military arms depot in central Ukraine, while in March that same year an ammo dump at a base near Kharkiv suffered a series of explosions." It also notes: "Ammunition depot explosions are unfortunately regular occurrences here. In part that is due to the large amount of Soviet-era munitions that Ukraine still has and in part because much of it is being stored inadequately, or even kept in the crates in the open rather than secured underground. Each time another depot combusts the question is raised as to whether the fault lies with the shoddy storage or whether more sinister forces are at play. This time it took just seven hours from the first explosion for the defense ministry to come forward and put its case. Information was presented that guided the public very firmly away from military negligence towards the idea that this was sabotage. Sabotage in the Ukrainian context is almost always a thinly veiled suggestion that Russia, either directly or through its rebel proxies, is responsible. Moscow denies sending troops and weapons to help separatists in the conflict, but admits that Russian "volunteers" are helping the rebels." Ukrainian authorities have previously alleged that other explosions at munition depots, including ones near Kalynivka and Balaklia, were triggered by enemy drones targeting the area.

    Ichnya 2018. 23 days of blasts and explosions: "By October 10, officials reported that the fires were under control" (https://medium.com/dfrlab/minskmonit...n-3360568b3380).

    Impressive as these explosion were, they pale in comparison with the so-called "Severomorsk Disaster," a deadly series of munitions fires that resulted in the detonation and destruction of large amounts of munitions that lasted from May 13 to 17, 1984, within the Okolnaya naval munitions depot, near the Severomorsk Naval Base (headquarters of the Northern Fleet of the Soviet Navy). The detonation occurred in the Northern Russian "closed" town of Severomorsk, over ,448.4 kilometers) from Moscow.

    Lazarenko did rank 8th, 3 places behind Slobodan Milosevic, on TI's Top 10 Corrupt Politicians list in 2004 - but the list has not been update since that year (https://www.infoplease.com/world/soc...orrupt-leaders).

    However, as you raised the issues of corrupt politicians, you should be interested to see that the #2 on the list of the world's most corrupt politicians in 2020 was "2. Vladimir Putin (President of Russia). The second most corrupt politician on this planet 2018 is Putin. Interesting! the world’s most powerful man also called essentially the most corrupt. Vladimir Putin, who was the three-time elected Prime minister of Russia, presently he’s the president of Russia since 2012. Throughout his profession, he has loved excessive home approval rankings and acquired intensive worldwide consideration as one of many world’s strongest leaders." The-then President of Ukraine - Poroshenko - didn't get a look-in until he was named as #9: 9. Petro Poroshenko ( President of Ukraine). Petro Oleksiyovych Poroshenko is the present President of Ukraine. Spotted at ninth place on our listing of 10 most corrupt politicians on this planet 2018. He is called the destroyer of Ukraine’s economic system. According to Ukraine Accountability Bearue, he looted greater than $Three billion" (https://www.fakoa.com/10-most-corrup...er_of_Iceland; and https://www.wonderslist.com/10-most-...t-politicians/).

    Russia is ranked #136 on TI's 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index, and Ukraine at #129 ((https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021).

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    Quote'[Bullshit. It was constructed in USSR. By agreement btw Russia and all formerly Soviet republics Russia took on own account all debts of USSR in exchange on all USSR properties. ]Quote;

    So then Russia should take full credit for the aircraft carrier Russian Nazis built with the defective engines?
    Goes everywhere pulled by a tugboat.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKGq-BGLcAQ

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    ......Country of thieves and bribe takers.
    Hey...leave Thailand out of this.

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    Russia is ranked #136 on TI's 2021 Corruption Perceptions Index, and Ukraine at #129 ((https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021).
    Ok. But it is Ukraine - country that sold missiles to Iran and nuclear technologies to North Korea. Do you feel yourself better when see #129?

    US and EU collaborating with Nazi. Shame.
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    #129 you said?

    translated by Google from Ukrainian news today:

    The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) has published a video of the interrogation of Viktor Medvedchuk, leader of the Ukrainian Opposition Platform For Life (OPPL) party. He claims that he participated in the scheme for the withdrawal of part of the oil product pipeline from state ownership at the direction of ex-president Petro Poroshenko. The detainee estimated the amount of expenses at $23 million.
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    During the interrogation, Mr. Medvedchuk said that the main oil product pipeline "Samara-Western Direction" was taken out of state property in order to pump diesel fuel through it. This was done, in his words, at the direction of Petro Poroshenko. He allegedly asked the leader of the Opposition Platform for Life to “contact the leadership of the Russian Federation”, and also “ensure the adoption of the necessary decisions in all Ukrainian instances.”

    “In order for this pipeline to become private property, and in fact the property of Poroshenko himself, it was necessary to perform a number of actions ... The courts, the prosecutor’s office, the Antimonopoly Committee, the State Property Fund - they all made decisions, of course, necessary for the personal interests of President Poroshenko”
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    Re: How Russia Stole and Ruined its Only Aircraft Carrier

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    Ok. But it is Ukraine - country that sold missiles to Iran and nuclear technologies to North Korea. Do you feel yourself better when see #129?

    US and EU collaborating with Nazi. Shame.
    1. But it is Ukraine - country that sold missiles to Iran and nuclear technologies to North Korea:
    The Ukrainian missiles were sold in 2004 but, in 2019, North Korea tested three missiles that looked very much like Russia's Iskander missile, a short-range, nuclear-capable ballistic missile that has been part of Russia's arsenal for more than a decade (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ia/1163516001/). Ukraine and Russia both offered nuclear technologies to North Korea at different times. Russia recently offered North Korea a nuclear power plant in exchange for North Korea dismantling its nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...573_story.html) (and https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...vladimir-putin).

    2. Do you feel yourself better when see #129?:
    Not particularly. I did it because there is a saying that people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. You keeping commenting on Ukrainian corruption but Russia seems even more corrupt.

    3A. US and EU collaborating with Nazi. Shame:
    One more time you mention this, ignoring the actions of Wagner Group and Rusich paramilitary organizations fighting on the Russian side, or, to put in another way, groups with whom Russia is collaborating. Wagner Group mercenaries, from a Russian private military company, who display Nazi symbols are fighting on the Russian side in Donetsk and Luhansk, etc., although running a mercenary army is against the Russian constitution. Using the Wagner Group, however, provides the Putin government with a force which is deniable. Wagner can get involved abroad and the Kremlin can and does say: 'It has nothing to do with us'.

    3B. As I noted in an earlier post, "Speaking of Nazis, the Donetsk leader of pro-Russian separatists honored a Russian soldier with Nazi symbols on his uniform for his role in Mariupol" (https://www.romea.cz/en/news/world/s...on-his-uniform). The soldier has been identified as Roman Vorobyov, a Senior Lieutenant of the so-called "Somalia Battalion".

    3C. Today's (May 23) Moscow Times (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...spiegel-a77762) is reporting a Der Spiegel article on "Russian Neo-Nazis Participate in ‘Denazifying’ Ukraine," identifying the groups as the Russian Imperial Legion and Rusich groups, "throwing into question Moscow’s claims of “denazifying” its neighbor." It quotes, too, "Their involvement “makes the ostensible reason for war, the so-called ‘denazification’ of Ukraine, absurd,” BND is quoted as saying." The BND is the German foreign intelligence service.

    4. Almost everything you post is an example of a person living in a glass house. The saying means that people who have faults should not criticize other people for having the same faults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonman View Post
    The saying means that people who have faults should not criticize other people for having the same faults.
    I just remind you: EU and US are collaborating with Nazi. Shame. Do you feel it?

    Nowhere in Russia you may see Nazi what are openly parading by central capital streets and national TV translating reports in which public glorifying them, president sends them greetings, parliament adore them and leaders of Nazi sits in parliament.

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    I just remind you: EU and US are collaborating with Nazi. Shame. Do you feel it? [
    No. Why should I? I'm not a citizen of any EU country or of the USA.

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