The Brink of War?

[Dodger]

Military and political strategists from around the world finally seem to be reaching a consensus regarding Putin's blunders in Ukraine.

Summary (in my words):

Putin has overplayed his hand and made 3 major miscalculations in his strategy to take control and demilitarize Ukraine, where any one of the miscalculations in-and-by-itself could have derailed his plans:

1) He thought Ukraine would be a 48 hour cake-walk like Crimea, where his objectives were accomplished without firing a single round - only to find himself engulfed in full-fledged war against a heroic and totally committed Ukrainian military.

2) He was confident that NATO and other European allies and friends would become fractured during his operation creating voids and weaknesses in Ukraine's support systems - only to watch NATO, the UN, and all of Europe's friends and allies become totally galvanized and unshakeable in their positions.

3) He drastically under estimated the potential impact that global sanctions could have on Russia's economy thinking his war chest could save him - only to find himself sinking in quicksand without very many friends willing to hold out a stick.

RECENT HAPPENINGS:

"All ruble convertibility is over. Putin has destroyed the ruble,"

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/09/b...ank/index.html


Russia's second biggest oil company calls for an end to Putin's war.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/04/b...war/index.html


First sign of oil price relief: UAE says it wants OPEC to increase production.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/09/e...ase/index.html


U.S. officials make rare trip to Venezuela, discuss resuming oil imports to help replace Russian fuel.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ficials-visit/

[StevieWonders]

Military and political strategists from around the world finally seem to be reaching a consensus regarding Putin's blunders in Ukraine.

GroupThink or Wishful Thinking?

[StevieWonders]

I did hear an interesting comment today - what Putin and his allies are attempting to do to Kiev now is exactly what the German Nazis attempted to do to the Russians and their allies at Stalingrad in 1942

[a447]

Off-topic posts can be found here:

https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showt...k-of-War/page2

[Moses]

I did hear an interesting comment today - what Putin and his allies are attempting to do to Kiev now is exactly what the German Nazis attempted to do to the Russians and their allies at Stalingrad in 1942

If you want to see repeating of "Stalingrad history" look here then. Situation 20:00 yesterday:

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[Dodger]

If you want to see repeating of "Stalingrad history" look here then. Situation 20:00 yesterday.

If what you're suggesting is that Putin's military maneuvers are similar to what the Germans did in Stalingrad in 1942, then one should take note that 800,000 German soldiers and 1,000,000 Russians died during that battle after Stalin prohibited evacuation from the city, including of children. There were only losers.

[Moses]

If you want to see repeating of "Stalingrad history" look here then. Situation 20:00 yesterday.

If what you're suggesting is that Putin's military maneuvers are similar to what the Germans did in Stalingrad in 1942, then one should take note that 800,000 German soldiers and 1,000,000 Russians died during that battle after Stalin prohibited evacuation from the city, including of children. There were only losers.

No. I just remind about Paulus army's destiny.

Talking about cities: each city has humanitarian corridor. Only in Mariupol exists problem - Ukrainian Nazi battalion Azov took local citizens as "live shields" and doesn't allows to leave city: that why there are leaving 10-20 persons daily, while in other cities thousands.

[cdnmatt]

I did hear an interesting comment today - what Putin and his allies are attempting to do to Kiev now is exactly what the German Nazis attempted to do to the Russians and their allies at Stalingrad in 1942

I don't know the name, but there's a city in the Nipr (sp) valley, population of 1 million. The Russians in the south will have to go through it at some point to get to Kiev. The mayor has already promised to make his city Putin's Stalingrad.

How the fuck is Putin selling this war to the people now? Little tough to call yourself liberators when you have mayors of cities promising your soldiers Stalingrad when they show up.

[Moses]

I don't know the name, but there's a city in the Nipr (sp) valley, population of 1 million. The Russians in the south will have to go through it at some point to get to Kiev. The mayor has already promised to make his city Putin's Stalingrad.

Dnepr (rus) Dnipro (UA)

No. Russian army don't need to fight for Dnepr - as all cities it will be circled and then Russian army will just wait. And yes: Ukrainian officials are ready to fight for to keep own power till last Ukrainian.

Kyev is already circled from the south, so Russian army doesn't need urgently take Dnepr.

How the fuck is Putin selling this war to the people now? Little tough to call yourself liberators when you have mayors of cities promising your soldiers Stalingrad when they show up.

Do you still expect what Russian army will storm cities (as US army does - carpet bombing then clearing bodies)? Well just watch what is going on already at the East of Ukraine: cities falling one by one. After nationalists ran via humanitarian corridors cities just change flags on the roofs of city councils.

And when you repeat "Stalingrad" let me remind you: by official Ukrainian declaration till now there are 551 fatalities within civilians in whole Ukraine.

As per official declaration of Pentagon, only 2 days of bombing Mosul gave 887 fatalities (Iraq says: 25000)

This isn't Stalingrad at time of WWII, this isn't Ukraine, this is Mosul:

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[StevieWonders]

If you want to see repeating of "Stalingrad history" look here then. Situation 20:00 yesterday:

If what you're suggesting is that Putin's military maneuvers are similar to what the Germans did in Stalingrad in 1942, then one should take note that 800,000 German soldiers and 1,000,000 Russians died during that battle after Stalin prohibited evacuation from the city, including of children. There were only losers.

Requires more thought Dodgems. I think 3/10