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Thread: The Brink of War?

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    Re: The Brink of War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    ======he following incidents where people were killed in Ukraine by Russian bombing: "Ukraine war: Three dead as maternity hospital hit by Russian air strike," 10 March 2022, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60675599, or "Ukraine war: Russia destroys hospital in latest missile attack," 26 May (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65720853), or "Dozens feared dea after Russian bomb hits school in eastern Ukraine - BBC News" May 8, 2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Ai...hannel=BBCNews), where "More than 60 people are now feared dead after a Russian bomb hit a school in eastern Ukraine=====

    And no one is confirmed till now.
    Obviously you misread the posting as the post clearly stated "Ukraine war: Three dead as maternity hospital hit by Russian air strike."

    News outlets rarely follow up with news of the fate of the missing, or with the final death toll from such attacks as the wounded may die days, weeks or months later. Further confirmed deaths from Russian attacks on Ukrainian schools and hospitals, however, are:

    1. “Bombing of school in Ukraine kills two, dozens more feared dead, governor says” Reuters, May 8, 20227:46 PM GMT+8. “"The fire was extinguished after nearly four hours, then the rubble was cleared, and, unfortunately, the bodies of two people were found," Gaidai wrote on wrote in a post on the Telegram messaging app. "Sixty people were likely to have died under the rubble of buildings.” (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...or-2022-05-08/).

    2. “Multiple people were killed and injured in a Russian strike on a high school in the Kyiv region, the regional military administration said Wednesday morning.… Three people died, two were injured and one was rescued, according to the State Emergency Service (DSNS), which added that four people were probably still under the rubble. The strike reportedly hit a high school in Rjychtchiv, a town about 80 kilometres south of the Ukrainian capital Kyiv. (https://www.euronews.com/2023/03/22/...in-kyiv-region).

    3. "Three killed as Russian strikes destroy school in Kramatorsk, say reports. Ukraine claims at least 1,888 schools and nurseries destroyed in war” (https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...kraine-reports).

    4. "Russian Missile Strike Hits Ukrainian Hospital: “The attack on a medical center in the central city of Dnipro killed at least two people, left three more missing and injured at least 30, Ukrainian officials said. It destroyed a three-story building and damaged several others.May 26, 2023 (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/26/w...l-missile.html). See also “Ukraine war: Russia destroys hospital in latest missile attack” (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65720853).

    But you think that an attack on a sports field is somewho worth comment??

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    Re: The Brink of War?

    Moses, you do realize you're trying to rephrase this as though Ukraine are the aggressors in this situation, right?

    Remember, Russia invaded Ukraine.

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    Re: The Brink of War?

    First the Luna-25 spacecraft (10 years in the planning) spins out of control and crashes on the moon, and then Prigozhin's airplane spins out of control and crashes on Earth after just 3 months of planning. All of this on the heels of Putin's plans to overtake Ukraine (and of course the Nazi's) which started spinning out of control almost immediately.

    It seems like somebody better plan their "spins" a little better.

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    ==== and then Prigozhin's airplane spins out of control and crashes on Earth ====

    Here too much reactions from state agencies, after that accident. That says me, what probably there was no Prigozhin on board of this aircraft. 2 Prigozhin's aircrafts started at the same time from the same place, one of them crashed. I suppose one of them was with died bodies on board and death of Prigozhin is forged for to give him chance to hide is shadows.
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    Re: The Brink of War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    ==== and then Prigozhin's airplane spins out of control and crashes on Earth ====

    Here too much reactions from state agencies, after that accident. That says me, what probably there was no Prigozhin on board of this aircraft. 2 Prigozhin's aircrafts started at the same time from the same place, one of them crashed. I suppose one of them was with died bodies on board and death of Prigozhin is forged for to give him chance to hide is shadows.
    Given that there are both reports that two aircraft left at the same time and that "Keir Giles, a Russia expert with the international affairs think tank Chatham House, had urged caution about reports of Prigozhin’s death. He said “multiple individuals have changed their name to Yevgeniy Prigozhin, as part of his efforts to obfuscate his travels” (e.g., https://apnews.com/article/russia-wa...7dfbe5bdbaa1b2), on this issue I suspect Moses may be correct.

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    Re: The Brink of War?

    There's no doubt that U.S. and British Intelligence (among others) have been tracking all of Prigozhin's movements - including the minute he stepped onto the plane headed towards St. Petersburg and ending when the plane hit the ground.

    The West isn't about to disclose its sources (or methods) of obtaining this information and seem content to just say that they believe Prigozhin is quite dead. I tend to believe this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodger View Post
    There's no doubt that U.S. and British Intelligence (among others) have been tracking all of Prigozhin's movements - including the minute he stepped onto the plane headed towards St. Petersburg and ending when the plane hit the ground.

    The West isn't about to disclose its sources (or methods) of obtaining this information and seem content to just say that they believe Prigozhin is quite dead. I tend to believe this.
    As of the time I post this, there are no reports that either the Wagner Group or the Russian government have confirmed Prigozhin's death. Dimitry Utkin, the neo-Nazi other founder of the Wagner Group was also reported as one of the plane's passengers, so the Wagner Group has effectively been decapitated. Given the number of Putin's enemies who die in aeroplane accidents, one wonders why they would choose to fly in Russian airspace.

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    ====Given the number of Putin's enemies who die in aeroplane accidents===

    Could you please announce "number" here?
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    Re: The Brink of War?

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    ====Given the number of Putin's enemies who die in aeroplane accidents===

    Could you please announce "number" here?
    One example: On 10 April 2010, Poland's president Lech Kaczyński and 95 others were killed in a plane crash in Russia.

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    Another example:

    In April 2002, Lebed (on Putin's shit list) was on his way to inaugurate a new ski resort in the mountains of southern Krasnoyarsk when the Mi-8 helicopter he was flying in, along with 16 other passengers and crew, crashed. Eight people were killed, including Lebed, who died en route to the hospital. Authorities said the craft went down after running into power lines in foggy conditions and blamed the crew.

    Nerve agents, poison, and window falls definitely top the list of Putin's preferred assassination methods - but who knows, as technology advances - so do his options. Maybe drones will be used in the future...or possibly AI robots. Who knows?

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