The Brink of War?

[Dragonman]

You should check facts , and do not trust propaganda, dear.

Chernobyl, April 26. "North to South" you said?

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Another attempt to point score without understanding the posting?

The intent of my posting was to suggest that the Law of Unintended Consequences could affect Russian forces and civilians in the occupied territories (and perhaps further away) as much as the use of tactical nuclear weapons affected those in the target area/s.

It is true that on April 26 and 27, the winds at Chernobyl were not blowing from north to south, but from April 29th they were - which is why maps of the areas contaminated by radioactive fallout from the disaster site include the-then Soviet Union republics of Bielorussia (Belarus) and the RSFSR as far west as Moscow (see, e.g., https://www.bfs.de/EN/topics/ion/acc...ces.html)..For example, "By the end of the summer of 1986, Moscow hospitals alone had treated about 15,000 people exposed to Chernobyl radiation. The Soviet republics of Ukraine and Belarus combined to treat about 40,000 patients in hospitals due to radiation exposure in the same period of time; in Belarus, about half were children" (https://news.mit.edu/2019/chernobyl-...ival-book-0306). I believe that the end of August is seen as the end of summer in Russia, so that means that in about 4 months at least some 55,000 people were treated for the effects of radioactive fallout in the former Soviet Union.Given that the former Soviet Union government was reluctant to acknowledge the accident or its effects, I suspect the true number to be higher.

The same could occur with fallout from tactical nuclear weapons.

[Dragonman]

Note: I acknowledge the typographical error in my previous post - the sentence should read ".. as far east as Moscow."

On 26 Apr 2020, 12:33, TASS reported "More than 1.7 million people, living in Russia, have been exposed to radiation as a result of the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster, the Russian emergencies ministry’s press service told TASS," and "In Russia, over 59,000 square meters of land, including 2 million hectares of agricultural land and about 1 million hectares of forest, were polluted with radiation. The affected territories were home to about 3 million people, 52,000 of them were resettled" (https://tass.com/russia/1149777).

[Moses]

Another attempt to point score without understanding the posting?

The intent of my posting was to suggest that the Law of Unintended Consequences could affect Russian forces and civilians in the occupied territories (and perhaps further away) as much as the use of tactical nuclear weapons affected those in the target area/s.

It is true that on April 26 and 27, the winds at Chernobyl were not blowing from north to south, but from April 29th they were - which is why maps of the areas contaminated by radioactive fallout from the disaster site include the-then Soviet Union republics of Bielorussia (Belarus) and the RSFSR as far west as Moscow (see, e.g., https://www.bfs.de/EN/topics/ion/acc...ces.html)..For example, "By the end of the summer of 1986, Moscow hospitals alone had treated about 15,000 people exposed to Chernobyl radiation. The Soviet republics of Ukraine and Belarus combined to treat about 40,000 patients in hospitals due to radiation exposure in the same period of time; in Belarus, about half were children" (https://news.mit.edu/2019/chernobyl-...ival-book-0306). I believe that the end of August is seen as the end of summer in Russia, so that means that in about 4 months at least some 55,000 people were treated for the effects of radioactive fallout in the former Soviet Union.Given that the former Soviet Union government was reluctant to acknowledge the accident or its effects, I suspect the true number to be higher.

The same could occur with fallout from tactical nuclear weapons.

You again insist on nonsense?

Belarus is located on the north from Ukraine. How it may be contaminated by winds from "north to south" ?

[Dragonman]

You again insist on nonsense?

Belarus is located on the north from Ukraine. How it may be contaminated by winds from "north to south" ?

Perhaps because at the time of the disaster, the prevailing winds at the time of the accident were from the south and east, so much of the radiation plume traveled northwest toward Belarus? (https://www.livescience.com/planet-e...clear-disaster). This is why contamination went as far as Sweden,, etc. If you look at "the cloud-of-radiation.jpg" you posted earlier, you will see that Belarus is clearly within the zone of contamination of the radioactive fallout from the Chernobyl disaster and, in fact, "The soil of Belarus alone absorbed two-thirds of the fall-out" (https://en.unesco.org/courier/octobe...disaster-alone).

With regard to your accusation that I post propaganda and nonsense, I could make the same comment about your postings, as you parrot Putin's claims about deNazifying a country with the fourth largest Jewish population in Europe (according to the World Jewish Congress, https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...communities/UA), and a Jewish President.



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[cdnmatt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIzW8Paqvvc

Sure enough, Putin pulls out a map from the 17th century to show all of us that Ukraine didn't exist back then, so I guess in essence, that means no Ukraine should exist today? WTF?

By that logic, I'm assuming the invasion of Alaska is coming up shortly?

[Dragonman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIzW8Paqvvc

Sure enough, Putin pulls out a map from the 17th century to show all of us that Ukraine didn't exist back then, so I guess in essence, that means no Ukraine should exist today? WTF?

By that logic, I'm assuming the invasion of Alaska is coming up shortly?

If they had looked at the original, and not the fake shown in the youtube clip, they would have seen that the document actually shows the area near Kyiv labeled as "Ukraine" or "Vkraine ou Pays des Cosaques (Ukraine or Country of Cossacks)." in the spelling of the time. What they looked at was a copy of a 17th century map held at the Bibliothèque Nationale de France. See https://www.businessinsider.com/puti...ukraine-2023-5 and https://disinfo.detector.media/en/po...not-exist-then.

Moreover, Crimea on the map is not part of Russia, and the peninsula is circled as a separate state. In the 17th century, the Crimean Khanate was located there, which lasted from 1441 to 1783.

This is just another example of Putin using the propaganda technique known as "the big lie." It is somewhat ironic that a man who started an unprovoked war to deNazify Ukraine should use a propoganda technique invented by Adolf Hitler, as the term was originally coined by Adolf Hitler in "Mein Kampf:' “The great masses of the people… will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.” It denotes where a known falsehood is stated and repeated and treated as if it is self-evidently true, in hopes of swaying the course of an argument in a direction that takes the big lie for granted rather than critically questioning it or ignoring it.

[Moses]

Let me show you place of today attack of Ukrainian drone in Moscow. I made translation on the map.

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[cdnmatt]

Let me show you place of today attack of Ukrainian drone in Moscow.

You invaded their country with hopes of taking the capital in 72 hours. You've killed, tortured, and raped hundreds of thousands of people. And you're pissed off that they sent a drone into Russia. You're joking, right?

Do you not realize that maybe, just maybe, Ukraine wouldn't be sending drones into Russia if Russia didn't send hundreds of thousands of armed soldiers into Ukraine? I'm just spitballing here, but just a hunch.

[Dragonman]

Let me show you place of today attack of Ukrainian drone in Moscow. I made translation on the map.

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The location highlighted as the place the drone hits appears to be at or near a sporting ground along the Moscow River, near School No. 1517, a prenatal maternity hospital, and a barber shop. You do not report any casualty figures, so I assume there were none.

If you are looking for sympathy for Moscovites or expressions of horror at an attack endagering innocent civilians in an unprovoked war started by Russia, consider, for example, the following incidents where people were killed in Ukraine by Russian bombing: "Ukraine war: Three dead as maternity hospital hit by Russian air strike," 10 March 2022, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60675599, or "Ukraine war: Russia destroys hospital in latest missile attack," 26 May (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65720853), or "Dozens feared dea after Russian bomb hits school in eastern Ukraine - BBC News" May 8, 2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Ai...hannel=BBCNews), where "More than 60 people are now feared dead after a Russian bomb hit a school in eastern Ukraine. Around 90 people were taking shelter in the building’s basement when it came under attack. Meanwhile in Russia final preparations have been taken place in Moscow for the celebration of Victory Day, commemorating the defeat of Nazi Germany."

посеешь, и пожнёшь

[Moses]

======he following incidents where people were killed in Ukraine by Russian bombing: "Ukraine war: Three dead as maternity hospital hit by Russian air strike," 10 March 2022, https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60675599, or "Ukraine war: Russia destroys hospital in latest missile attack," 26 May (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65720853), or "Dozens feared dea after Russian bomb hits school in eastern Ukraine - BBC News" May 8, 2022 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Ai...hannel=BBCNews), where "More than 60 people are now feared dead after a Russian bomb hit a school in eastern Ukraine=====

And no one is confirmed till now.