The Brink of War?

[Moses]

True. But that won't help Russia. Remember that Ukraine doesn't have to win, they just have to not lose and they're playing at home.

No. You miss one very important difference. Russia may control territory easily, because we spoke the same language, because there are a lot of loyal to Russia Ukrainians, especially from older generations. It clearly visible on taken territories - great cooperation and no resistance.

Current regime dismissed over 20 political parties, had to close more than 50 TV and radio stations for to keep itself in power. They not only forbid Russian language, but even clear libraries from Russian books, and I mean books written in Russian language even if writer is giant of Ukrainian culture like Gogol. It is so funny: Gogol wrote his books in Russian. Bulgakov was citizen of Kiyev - capital of Ukraine, also wrote all his books in Russian, but now their books are in the fire.

[arsenal]

Don't confuse my dislike of Russia as admiration for Ukraine. I agree with Putin that they're the same.

I still think the whole thing is absurd.

[Moses]

I still think the whole thing is absurd.

Sure.
Can you just imagine: in Kiyev school where Jewish kids study Hebrew language, has address 22B, Shukhevych avenue.

you can read who was Shukhevych here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Shukhevych - commander officer of Nachtigall Battalion of Abwehr
he is responsible for deaths of tens thousands of Polish and Jewish people (Holocaust), but is national hero for current Ukrainian regime.

[arsenal]

Yes well, that's certainly something that can be dealt with when the Russian tanks roll into Kiev and liberate everyone. Heroes welcome expected.

[Dodger]

Interesting, that China now finds itself sitting on the same fence post as the West when it comes to seeing the reality of Russia's future.

Hu Xijin, the former editor in chief of the Chinese-government-affiliated Global Times, had been commentating on Prigozhin’s insurrection and Russia’s political situation. In the now-deleted tweet, Hu wrote: “[Prigozhin’s] armed rebellion has made the Russian political situation cross the tipping point. Regardless of his outcome, Russia cannot return to the country it was before the rebellion anymore.” Hu’s comments were a stark contrast to the Chinese government’s previous neutral stance on Russian politics.

Geopolitical analysts have to be pulling their hair out trying to rearrange their drawing boards, as China will undoubtedly continue to backtrack on its supportive statements towards Russia - and the West fine-tunes its strategies for protecting the world against the nuclear threat posed by the deranged Russian leader...not to mention Prigozhin, who has now elevated himself on the chessboard from a glorified pawn - to a second king.

Having an ex convict like Prigozhin who earns a living killing people for money living in exile in neighboring Belarus where Putin is reportedly sending tactical nuclear weapons doesn't have a very good ring to it. My guess is that Prigozhin will end up back in Africa managing his billion dollar illegal enterprises until Putin's regime has completed the process of imploding. That is if he manages to stay alive.

To say that Putin's military ground forces will now be even less capable than they were before would be the understatement of the century.

If you think there was a problem involving military leadership, battlefield coordination, troop motivation, etc, before, just wait until Putin terminates the Wagner commanders and merges the remaining Wagner fighters (most being convicted criminals and psycho's) into the ranks of the regular Russian army. As we all know, the majority of Russian soldiers are inexperienced recruits who didn't want any part of this war to begin with.

Putin is finished!

[Moses]

====My guess is that Prigozhin will end up back in Africa managing his billion dollar illegal enterprises until Putin's regime has completed the process of imploding. That is if he manages to stay alive.====

Wrong. Wagner will exist and continue its operations around the globe. Headquarters of Wagner here are opened and continue to recruit freelancers to Mali, Sudan, Syria, Ukraine.

====As we all know, the majority of Russian soldiers are inexperienced recruits who didn't want any part of this war to begin with.====

Again wrong - majority of Russian army are contactors, voluntary signed contract, they knew in advance where they skills will be used.

====not to mention Prigozhin, who has now elevated himself on the chessboard from a glorified pawn - to a second king.====

And this is not only wrong, but is real bullshit. People who says that have zero knowledges about Russian elites. Prigozhin doesn't "rebel" against Putin. He continue to be his supporter even now. It was conflict of elites, one is represented by Prigozhin, another one by current defense minister Shoygu.

Prigozhin is right radical. He and represented by him part of Russian elite insist on more radical methods of war: mass bombing, wiping towns before to enter there. He blames Shoygu for Russian losses "because instead of saving life of Russian solders he (Shoygu) is talking about saving life of Ukrainian civilians". Prigozhin is proponent of American tactic - shoot first talk then. And this conflict is attempt to elevate Prigozhin's point of view to Putin's level.

Meanwhile conflict was resolved less than in 24 hours and this shows that Kremlin controls situation tightly.

[arsenal]

Thank you General Melchett.

[latintopxxx]

,,,hopoefully once Putin is dispatched someone "reasonable" can steer Russia and its people onto a path of prosperity, they have so much natural wealth that every Russian should be living a a warm comfortable 3 bedroomed apartment and driving around in a nice late model lexus.

[Dodger]

,,,hopoefully once Putin is dispatched someone "reasonable" can steer Russia and its people onto a path of prosperity, they have so much natural wealth that every Russian should be living a a warm comfortable 3 bedroomed apartment and driving around in a nice late model lexus.

Not to mention the fact that all those HOT Russian boys can stop sitting around in mud trenches getting shot at - and get back to fu*king and sucking the way life is intended.

[latintopxxx]

yes, what a waste