The Brink of War?

[Dragonman]

===Russian soldiers killed: between 5,937 and 139,000===
===These numbers have been updated frequently through the Facebook page===

In these sentences everything is "perfect" - how precisely it counted, trusted media for publication... do you need me to publish on FB numbers "from 3 persons till about 108"? And then I will show it as a proof...

==="Center for Strategic and International Studies" ===
just simple CIA propaganda for to influence on morale of both sides. You know it, I know it, why you bring it here?

P.S. nobody reads paragraphs longer than 4-5 lines on the web. Each next line lower number of readers on about 20%. People are lazy.

The figures cited above are as precise as those quoted by Komsomolskaya Pravda in March 2022 - which reported that that 9,861 Russian troops had died and 16,153 had been injured since Russian President Vladimir Putin launched the unprovoked invasion in late February. However, the figures were later removed because Komsomolskaya Pravda claimed it had been hacked. The figures were embarrassing because they were far higher than those admitted by the Kremlin, which claimed the very precise figure oonly 498 Russian troops having been killed. So, which version of Komsomolskaya Pravda to believe?

The Center for Strategic and International Studies lists major funding from defense contractors such as Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics, and General Atomics, but not the CIA. It is associated with Georgetown University, not the US Government.

You comment that no one reads more than 4-5 lines on the web is based on well-conducted research or personal experience. Many of your own postings exceed this length - which is why my responses do.

[Moses]

====launched the unprovoked invasion ====

this is most cynic and lying declaration

before conflict over 16.000 Russians were killed in Eastern Ukraine

June 2, 2014 first Ukrainian rocket strike in peaceful Lugansk

[Dragonman]

====launched the unprovoked invasion ====

this is most cynic and lying declaration

before conflict over 16.000 Russians were killed in Eastern Ukraine

Crocodile tears.

17 July 2014 - 298 innocent foreign civilians aboard MH 17 shot down by Russian and Ukrainian separatists.

On 17 November 2022, following a trial in absentia in the Netherlands, two Russians and a Ukrainian separatist were found guilty of murdering all 298 people on board flight MH17. The Dutch court also ruled that Russia was in control of the separatist forces fighting in eastern Ukraine at the time.

[cdnmatt]

Russian's are about to get their asses handed to them, which really sucks and is sad to see. This is especially true considering there's reporting in the West that kids in grade 10 who are 16 years old are now being conscripted from Moscow and sent to the front lines.

There's tons of Leopard, Challenger, and M1 Abram tanks coming. Poland is also sending some fighter jets, and you can expect other countries to follow suit.

Guaranteed, Ukraine is currently preparing a massive counter offensive, which will probably end the war once and for all.

All the while, China is sending off spy baloons for some reason. Do they not have satellites, drones, spy planes, or anything else? What went through their minds to think baloons are a good idea? I actually feel bad for the F35 pilots... "alright, after your years of vigorous training, it's come to this.... we need you to take to the skies and shoot down a baloon".

[Moses]

===Russian's are about to get their asses handed to them, which really sucks and is sad to see. This is especially true considering there's reporting in the West that kids in grade 10 who are 16 years old are now being conscripted from Moscow and sent to the front lines.===

Dear, who is your dealer?
Here is opposite process: age of conscripts who must service in army for 1 year training changes from 18 to 21. Law is already in parliament, will be voted on next week.

Reminder: nobody may be mobilized here to "front line" until he served 1 year of training in training camp as trainee conscript.

[Moses]

===17 July 2014 - 298 innocent foreign civilians aboard MH 17 shot down by Russian and Ukrainian separatists.===

Darling, what is more early? Jun 2 or July 17?

[Dragonman]

===17 July 2014 - 298 innocent foreign civilians aboard MH 17 shot down by Russian and Ukrainian separatists.===

Darling, what is more early? Jun 2 or July 17?

1. I am not, and never will be, your "darling."

2. Your response indicates that you do not understand the significance of the shooting down by Russian and Ukrainian separatists of a foreign airliner carrying foreign passengers as a criminal act. The dates are irrelevant. If the Malaysians, or anyone else, had shot down without provocation, an airliner carrying Russians tourists, your response would be less frivolous.

[Dragonman]

===17 July 2014 - 298 innocent foreign civilians aboard MH 17 shot down by Russian and Ukrainian separatists.===

Darling, what is more early? Jun 2 or July 17?

In my earlier posting, I said your response indicated you did not understand the significance of the shooting down of MH17 and that it was also frivolous.

On March 17, 2023, the United Nations aviation council voted to hear a case against Russia over the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, the foreign ministers of Australia and the Netherlands said. ICAO had earlier (March 3) stated that it had authority to hear the case brought by the Australians and the Dutch. The case concerns the paying of compensation for the downing.

Earlier this year, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) ruled that Russia must be held accountable for its role in the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. Not only to the Netherlands but also to the relatives of the victims.

The timing of the downing is irrelevant.

[Moses]

===The timing of the downing is irrelevant.====
This is bullshit...

Time of downing is important: West closed eyes on Ukrainian bombing in June 2014, cities with Russians on the East of Ukraine were victims of it. Then Russia presumable send "Buk" or "Buks" to rebels of Donetsk and Lugansk for to protect civilians. And rebels shooted down almost all Ukrainian military aviation there. Probably MH17 was recognized as a military aircrafts and downed in July.

Ukrainian nationalistic govt and West are 100% responsible for that consequence, but tried to reload own fault to Russia.

===Earlier this year, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) ruled that Russia must be held accountable for its role in the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. Not only to the Netherlands but also to the relatives of the victims.===

Since European Council of Human Rights voted what Russia isn't its member anymore it also has consequence: ECHR has no jurisdiction in Russia anymore. Nobody cares about their decision here.

===On March 17, 2023, the United Nations aviation council voted to hear a case against Russia over the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, the foreign ministers of Australia and the Netherlands said. ICAO had earlier (March 3) stated that it had authority to hear the case brought by the Australians and the Dutch. The case concerns the paying of compensation for the downing===

Nor ICAO, nor UN aviation council have mandate to make decisions about finances. So their decisions cost less than piece of paper for to print it.

[Dragonman]

===The timing of the downing is irrelevant.====
This is bullshit...

Time of downing is important: West closed eyes on Ukrainian bombing in June 2014, cities with Russians on the East of Ukraine were victims of it. Then Russia presumable send "Buk" or "Buks" to rebels of Donetsk and Lugansk for to protect civilians. And rebels shooted down almost all Ukrainian military aviation there. Probably MH17 was recognized as a military aircrafts and downed in July.

Ukrainian nationalistic govt and West are 100% responsible for that consequence, but tried to reload own fault to Russia.

===Earlier this year, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) ruled that Russia must be held accountable for its role in the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. Not only to the Netherlands but also to the relatives of the victims.===

Since European Council of Human Rights voted what Russia isn't its member anymore it also has consequence: ECHR has no jurisdiction in Russia anymore. Nobody cares about their decision here.

===On March 17, 2023, the United Nations aviation council voted to hear a case against Russia over the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, the foreign ministers of Australia and the Netherlands said. ICAO had earlier (March 3) stated that it had authority to hear the case brought by the Australians and the Dutch. The case concerns the paying of compensation for the downing===

Nor ICAO, nor UN aviation council have mandate to make decisions about finances. So their decisions cost less than piece of paper for to print it.

1. MH17 belonged to Malaysian Airlines, not a European airline. MH17 was flying above the restricted airspace limits imposed by the legally-responsible Ukrainian government, and was clearly not a military aircraft, except to incompetent observers.

2. Russia may not now be a member of the European Convention on Human Rights but was a signatory state to the European Convention on Human Rights at the time of the shooting down, the period at issue in this case. According to the Council of Europe, "the European Court of Human Rights remains competent to deal with applications against Russia concerning actions or omissions occurring up until September 16, 2022." (https://www.dw.com/en/mh17-case-agai...les/a-64511609).

3. You claim that "Nor ICAO, nor UN aviation council have mandate to make decisions about finances. So their decisions cost less than piece of paper for to print it." However, "The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Council in Montreal has upheld the Council’s jurisdiction to hear Australia and the Netherlands’ case against Russia for the downing of Flight MH17" (Penny Wong, Australian Foreign Minister, https://www.foreignminister.gov.au/m...al-proceedings). And the "U.N. aviation council votes to hear MH17 case against Russia" (https://www.reuters.com/world/un-avi...ia-2023-03-17/).

4. Russia used to have a seat on the ICAO council but did not receive enough votes to be re-elected in October 2022 even though, in an unprecedented move, it asked for a second vote, which was denied. Russia, along with the G7, China, Brazil and Australia, had held a spot as a "state of chief importance in air transport" on ICAO's 36-member council. The move was seen as a "rebuke of Moscow for aviation-related actions taken after its invasion of Ukraine" (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...il-2022-10-01/), i.e., a loss of support by the international community.

5. Your opinions obviously do not match those of those present at the voting - and the UN generally does not engage in voting outside its mandates.

6. Along with the ICC's arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin and his commissioner for children’s rights, the legal future of Russia's top government officials looks quite rosy, doesn't it?