The Brink of War?

[cdnmatt]

I'm not your darling.

[Moses]

I'm not your darling.

Did I wrote "my"?

[Dragonman]

For example minister of foreign affairs of Kazakhstan told, what from 220 000 Russians who visiting KZ, 147 000 already returned to Russia.
https://www.caravan.kz/news/rossiyan...nu-smi-882339/ (it is Kazakh source, use Google translator.

I did, and what the article actually says is: Kazakh Interior Minister Marat Akhmetzhanov said that Russians have started leaving the country en masse. More than 200,000 Russian citizens have entered Kazakhstan, and 147,000 have returned home, he said."

However, it also explains why.
"The authors of mosregtoday.ru cite several stories of Russians stranded in Kazakhstan. The interlocutors of the publication told about why some of their compatriots eventually return to the Russian Federation.
Natalia P., a Russian, has been living in Almaty for two weeks with her husband. The couple are working remotely, and they are faced with the problem of finding a home. "The entire flow of migrants is headed to the major cities of Kazakhstan, which are now facing big housing problems. Prices have doubled. If earlier one-room apartment in the center could be rented for 20 thousand rubles., now it will cost from 40 thousand rubles., and then, if you are lucky. But even the price - no longer the main thing, there are no apartments themselves, all removed", - said the Russian woman.
Denis T., for example, has been living in one of Kazakhstan's oblasts for a week. "I have been signed to many groups emigrating to Kazakhstan. If there used to be a lot of questions about going across the border or finding a home, now it really began to ask how to get back home. Denis says that the Kazakhs are a very benevolent people, and he has no problems with the paperwork. Everything was done quickly and without a language barrier.
"I think they're mostly leaving because of work," he said. Here, the pay is several times lower than in Russia, "- said Denis.
Retired military analyst and colonel Viktor Litovkin noted that many Russians left for Kazakhstan in a hurry and then realized that they had nowhere to live and work. "What else can they do? Of course, to go home. I think this trend will grow," the expert said."

[Moses]

I did, and what the article actually says is: Kazakh Interior Minister Marat Akhmetzhanov said that Russians have started leaving the country en masse. More than 200,000 Russian citizens have entered Kazakhstan, and 147,000 have returned home, he said."

Yes. Mobilization is almost over, panic is over, money are over. So dream of propagandists about 6 millions is over. Right now correct number is around 750 000 and contracts.

[Dragonman]

Yes. Panic is over, money is over. So dreams of propagandists about 6 millions is over. Right now correct number is around 750 000 and contracts.

However, the Kazakh report was only half the story - the rest is at https://www.rferl.org/a/kazakhstan-2...32064860.html:

"Kazakh Interior Minister Marat Akhmetzhanov says 200,000 Russian citizens have entered the country since Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a partial mobilization on September 21 amid Moscow’s ongoing invasion of Ukraine.
Akhmetzhanov also said on October 4 that 147,000 Russian citizens left Kazakhstan in the same period of time. He did not mention where the Russians were heading but last week Kazakh authorities said that tens of thousands of those Russians who entered Kazakhstan in recent days, moved further to neighboring Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.
Akhmetzhanov said that the number of Russians entering Kazakhstan has started decreasing since the weekend. Media reports said earlier that Russian authorities had placed mobile conscription stations at Russian-Kazakh border checkpoints.
Akhmetzhanov said last week that Kazakhstan will extradite Russian citizens to Russia only if they are officially added to international wanted lists.
Kazakh President Qasym-Zhomart Toqaev said earlier that he plans to hold talks with the Russian government regarding the influx of Russians, mostly males, to the country after the start of Russia's mobilization.
Kazakhstan's Digital Development Ministry said on October 4 that since September 21, more than 70,000 Russian citizens had applied and received personal identification numbers that allows them to set up bank accounts and work in Kazakhstan.
RFE/RL's correspondents from many towns and cities in Kazakhstan report that long lines of mostly Russian citizens continue to stand next to Public Service Centers seeking to receive such numbers.
Russian citizens do not need travel passports or visas to enter Kazakhstan for 30 days."

Si, if this report, which use Kazakh sources is correct, then the Russians haven't returned to Russia but have moved on to other countries in search of work and somewhere in which to live. Nor were the 147,000 who have left necessarily part of the 200,000 who had arrived.

Moreover, one of the reasons why the number of people fleeing to Kazakhstan had dropped was because of the mobile recruiting stations placed at the border.

[Moses]

However, the Kazakh report was only half the story - the rest is at https://www.rferl.org/a/kazakhstan-2...32064860.html:

"Kazakh Interior Minister Marat Akhmetzhanov says 200,000 Russian citizens have entered the country since Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a partial mobilization on September 21 amid Moscow’s ongoing invasion of Ukraine.
Akhmetzhanov also said on October 4 that 147,000 Russian citizens left Kazakhstan in the same period of time. He did not mention where the Russians were heading but last week Kazakh authorities said that tens of thousands of those Russians who entered Kazakhstan in recent days, moved further to neighboring Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.
Akhmetzhanov said that the number of Russians entering Kazakhstan has started decreasing since the weekend. Media reports said earlier that Russian authorities had placed mobile conscription stations at Russian-Kazakh border checkpoints.
Akhmetzhanov said last week that Kazakhstan will extradite Russian citizens to Russia only if they are officially added to international wanted lists.
Kazakh President Qasym-Zhomart Toqaev said earlier that he plans to hold talks with the Russian government regarding the influx of Russians, mostly males, to the country after the start of Russia's mobilization.
Kazakhstan's Digital Development Ministry said on October 4 that since September 21, more than 70,000 Russian citizens had applied and received personal identification numbers that allows them to set up bank accounts and work in Kazakhstan.
RFE/RL's correspondents from many towns and cities in Kazakhstan report that long lines of mostly Russian citizens continue to stand next to Public Service Centers seeking to receive such numbers.
Russian citizens do not need travel passports or visas to enter Kazakhstan for 30 days."

Si, if this report, which use Kazakh sources is correct, then the Russians haven't returned to Russia but have moved on to other countries in search of work and somewhere in which to live. Nor were the 147,000 who have left necessarily part of the 200,000 who had arrived.

Moreover, one of the reasons why the number of people fleeing to Kazakhstan had dropped was because of the mobile recruiting stations placed at the border.

Manipulations and propaganda.

I already posted report what daily outflow to Kazakhstan now is around 7000, inflow from Kazakhstan is 11 000 daily.

About 70% of Russians have no travel passport, so they can't "move further to Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan " despite speculation of author... moreover, looks like author never been in named countries... because to live there is almost like to live in Afghanistan. That why immigration to Russia from these countries is so high even now.

As per "mobile recruiting stations" - it is total bullshit and to write that may only person who has D or F in geography. Russia is federal country of 85 sovereign regions. Mobile station exists, but they are working for region where are stay. For example mobile station in Ossetia on the border with Georgia may mobilize only citizens of Ossetia, population of all other 84 regions may run free because this station isn't from their region and has no competences. Did you saw any picture with all 85 "mobile stations" on the one crossing border point?

Here how look regions:
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[Dragonman]

On October 1, you claimed to be in the middle of the action, but later you stated your information came from family members (in undisclosed locations). As you continue not to cite any authoritative sources for your statements, there is no grounds to believe anything you write.

Unless you've lived in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan - or Afghanistan - your views on what living there is like are merely displays of prejudice, not statements of fact.

Your postings suggest someone whistling in the dark.

[cdnmatt]

Reports now coming out that Russia is rounding up people from homeless shelters as conscripts.

[Dragonman]

Reports now coming out that Russia is rounding up people from homeless shelters as conscripts.

Conscription is enlisting (someone) compulsorily, typically into the armed services. It is the act of involuntary labor demanded by some established authority.

The reported actions (“Russia 'is rounding up HOMELESS people as part of its military mobilization': Men 'are grabbed while queueing up for food and forced onto buses'” (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ilisation.html) and “Russia is grabbing men off the street to fight in Ukraine” (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ilization-men/) suggest that the Russia Federation’s armed forces are using “impressment,” which Merriam Webster defines as “to procure or enlist by forcible persuasion,” and as “the act of seizing for public use or of impressing into public service.” Grabbing men of the streets by using the 21st century equivalent of “press gangs” would seem to match the definitions.

While both conscription and impressment are forms of involuntary military service, the former is the more organized and legal way for governments to mandate military services while the latter has decidedly rougher connotations. For example, James McPherson, Battle Cry of Freedom , Oxford 2004, page 833: A month later the governors of six more states, meeting in conference, enigmatically urged the impressment of slaves for ‘the public service as may be required.’”

[cdnmatt]

Yes, I'm aware of what conscription is. I just never knew the Russian leadership was so depraved and desparate they would go to this extent.

I've never served a day in my life, but I'm even intelligent enough to know that rounding up folks from homeless shelters probably isn't going to create a highly effective fighting force. It's just a hunch, but pretty sure I'm right on this one.

Geez, what insanity... It's just straight up cannon fodder at this point.

Why are the Russian people not rising up yet? Have 5 million people march on the Kremlin / Duma to let Putin know his services are no longer necessary, and this shit would be over tomorrow.