The Brink of War?

[Moses]

Ukraine's position is basically Putin can call those regions part of the moon if he'd like, they don't care, and will not stop until they liberate every square meter of Ukrainian territory.

145 mln (+8.5 mln on joined territories) : 22.5 mln (minus 8.5 mln on joined territories)

Russian now controls 108,000 sq.km of Ukraine (besides Crimea)

So where in this is "No"? I can find many "not's" in the statement but not a single "No" to Ukraine's membership

Stoltenberg is a diplomat and has given a diplomatic answer!

Exactly! This conflict is supported by NATO for to make problem to Russia, not for to make problems for themselves. So answer is predictable.

[cdnmatt]

[QUOTE=Moses;292439]Exactly! This conflict is supported by NATO for to make problem to Russia, not for to make problems for themselves.

Piss off, and don't pull a Putin and try playing the victim card. Russia is the one who invaded a sovereign nation, not NATO.

[Dodger]

"But Sir, I don't even have any bullets or a helmet".

"Quit your bitchin...and just get out there and take one for the Motherland".

[cdnmatt]

Yeah, there's even reports that conscripts are getting totally the wrong sized uniforms, have to buy various supplies with their own money such as hydrogen peroxide and food, et al.

I'm sure this will work out splendidly.

[Dragonman]

145 mln (+8.5 mln on joined territories) : 22.5 mln (minus 8.5 mln on joined territories)

Russian now controls 108,000 sq.km of Ukraine (besides Crimea)

Exactly! This conflict is supported by NATO for to make problem to Russia, not for to make problems for themselves. So answer is predictable.

Another response in Orwellian newspeak.

Does the "8.5 mln on joined territories" include or exclude the ethnic Ukrainians deported to other parts of the Russian Federation (e.g., https://theconversation.com/ukraine-...cations-190272, and https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u...tion-rcna46804) who didn't have chance to vote in the illegal referenda?.

[Dragonman]

Russian now controls 108,000 sq.km of Ukraine (besides Crimea)

108,000 sq km + Crimea's 27,000 sq.km = 135,000 sq km.

CNN reports that on 30 September, Russia controlled on 119,000 sq km, including Crimea, a loss of 16,000 sq km (https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...aine-shift-dg/).

Whom should we believe?

[Dragonman]

Russian now controls 108,000 sq.km of Ukraine (besides Crimea) .

In reality, "after seven months of war only 60% of Donetsk can be claimed by Russia, and Luhansk is at the centre of a major Ukrainian offensive. Russian forces could be within hours of losing the strategically significant town of Lyman. Zaporizhzhia's regional capital is very firmly Ukrainian-run, although in reach of Russian missiles, and Ukrainian forces are only a few miles from the city of Kherson" (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63086767).

Since this BBC report 2 days ago, the 5000 or so remaining Russian soldiers in the city of Lyman were "pulled out" (Russian-speak for ignominious retreat) "from the strategically important town of Lyman in eastern Ukraine. Lyman is in the Donetsk region which is one of four that Russian President Vladimir Putin proclaimed to be part of Russia only the day before." (https://www.dw.com/en/russian-milita...an/av-63309351). As the Washington Post headlined this retreat, "Russian troops withdraw from Lyman, a day after annexation claims." This was explained as "“In connection with the creation of a threat of encirclement, the allied troops were withdrawn” from Lyman “to more advantageous lines,” Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said Saturday" Moreover, although Putin has signed the accord with the Russian installed puppet governments in the four regions, the fact that the accession treaties have yet to be rubber-stamped and ratified by Russia’s parliament leaves the situation unclear. ((https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...sk-annexation/).

Interestingly, the officer leading the defense of Lyman is/was "Col. Gen. Alexander Lapin," a surname I believe translates as "One who had big feet" (https://forebears.io/surnames/lapin). Given that "lapin," according to Merriam-Webster, also means "a surgically castrated male rabbit," perhaps the Russian retreat is an example of nominative determinism or name-driven outcome.

So much for "control."

[Dragonman]

For months this board has carried complaints about the "neo-Nazis" in Ukraine and their existence as the reason for launching the "special military operation" by the Russian Federation to "denazify and demilitarize" the Ukraine.

Less common, however, have been postings concerning the neo-Nazis fighting on the Russian side, particularly those related to the Wagner Group and its "Task Force Rusich."

In the news now, however, are reports concerning this "Task Force Rusich," which "advises its fighters not to report the capture of Ukrainians to Russian commanders" and "is inciting atrocities against prisoners of war and explicitly advocates the torture of captives including “removing body parts."

"“Despite Putin’s claims, the actions of Rusich in the conflict demonstrate the concerning prominence of neo-Nazi groups committing atrocities on behalf of the Kremlin.” (https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ian-prisoners; https://news.yahoo.com/russian-neo-n...124604373.html).

Wikipedia's article on the Wagner Group refers to this Task Force and includes a photo of its badge - an eight-spoked version of the Nazi hakenkreuz.

Another example of the total hypocrisy of Putin and his supporters.

[Moses]

For months this board has carried complaints about the "neo-Nazis" in Ukraine and their existence as the reason for launching the "special military operation" by the Russian Federation to "denazify and demilitarize" the Ukraine.

Less common, however, have been postings concerning the neo-Nazis fighting on the Russian side, particularly those related to the Wagner Group and its "Task Force Rusich."

In the news now, however, are reports concerning this "Task Force Rusich," which "advises its fighters not to report the capture of Ukrainians to Russian commanders" and "is inciting atrocities against prisoners of war and explicitly advocates the torture of captives including “removing body parts."

"“Despite Putin’s claims, the actions of Rusich in the conflict demonstrate the concerning prominence of neo-Nazi groups committing atrocities on behalf of the Kremlin.” (https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ian-prisoners; https://news.yahoo.com/russian-neo-n...124604373.html).

Wikipedia's article on the Wagner Group refers to this Task Force and includes a photo of its badge - an eight-spoked version of the Nazi hakenkreuz.

Another example of the total hypocrisy of Putin and his supporters.

Rusich and Wagner are employed by DNR. Milchakov - lider of Rusich is wanted by police in Russia. As soon as DNR will be part of Russia, he will run out of DNR - maybe to Syria or Mali.

The main difference btw Russia and Ukraine is: in Russia Nazi aren't part of Russian army, while Azov and other battalions of Nazi are part of Ukrainian army. Ukraine support and supplies them. West supports and supplies them. Shame.

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[Dragonman]

Rusich and Wagner are employed by DNR. Milchakov - lider of Rusich is wanted by police in Russia. As soon as DNR will be part of Russia, he will run out of DNR - maybe to Syria or Mali.

The main difference btw Russia and Ukraine is: in Russia Nazi aren't part of Russian army, while Azov and other battalions of Nazi are part of Ukrainian army. Ukraine support and supplies them. West supports and supplies them. Shame.

You forgot to mention that the two founders of Task Force Rusich - Alexey Yurevich Milchakov and Yan Igorevich Petrovskiy - are Russians.

Since last week, at least according to Putin and his fake referenda, the Donestsk People's Republic IS part Russia, so has Milchakov been arrested yet?

Of course not, since he withdrew from the DNR earlier this year, and sent out a cryptocurrency appeal on June 16 stating that "the unit has withdrawn to territory of Russia for understaffing and rest" in order "to recruit new specialists" (i.e., while in Russia) and "to put our health in order (unfortunately, a large number of the wounded take time to recover), and equipment." The appeal lists the equipment for which they are seeking funds - in Russia.

You can see the report on TFR and its appeal to Russians for cryptocurrency at https://www.trmlabs.com/post/who-is-...ofac-yesterday. The account to donate to is at Sberbank, which is a Russian majority state-owned banking and financial services company headquartered in Moscow, which apparently does business with terrorists as well.

The report is dated 16 September 2022, and is based on information from the U.S. Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC).