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Thread: The Brink of War?

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    Re: The Brink of War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonman View Post

    The American-led intervention in the Syrian Civil War refers to the American-led support of Syrian rebels and the Syrian Democratic Forces . It involves military forces from some NATO and some non-NATO countries such as Jordan, and was initially aimed at ISIL which had captured and was beheading western nationals. Russian participation in the Syrian Civil War on the side of Bashir al-Assad is well-known.
    Whatever, but Russian army is only army located in Syria, that is invited officially to Syria by legitimate Syrian government, government that is recognized by world and UN. While US and "US-led" are intruders. Point.

    Fact what US calls group of bandits "democratic forces" doesn't make presence of American army on Syrian territory legal.
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    Whatever, but Russian army is only army located in Syria, that is invited officially to Syria by legitimate Syrian government, government that is recognized by world and UN. While US and "US-led" are intruders. Point.

    Fact what US calls group of bandits "democratic forces" doesn't make presence of American army on Syrian territory legal.
    One point of view - inaccurate as usual as the Bashar al-Assad government is NOT universally recognized as the legitimate representative of all the Syrian people.

    The Syrian National Council (SNC), a Syrian opposition coalition based in Istanbul, Turkey, formed in August 2011 during the Syrian civil uprising (which escalated into civil war) against the government of Bashar al-Assad, is recognized by 27 UN members, the Republic of Kosovo and the European Union as a legitimate representative of the Syrian people in the midst of the Syrian Civil War, with three of those being permanent members of the Security Council (https://syriancouncil.org/; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...tional_Council).

    The Syrian Democratic Forces is the self-bestowed name for the official defense force of the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria. It is an alliance of forces formed during the Syrian civil war composed primarily of Kurdish, Arab, and Assyrian/Syriac, as well as some smaller Armenian, Turkmen and Chechen forces. It is not a name given by the US to any group.

    The fact that Russia illegally occupies and annexes Crimea, and recognizes parts of Luhansk and Donetsk regions as "People's Republics," doesn't make presence of Russian armed forces on Ukrainian territory legal.

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    One point of view - inaccurate as usual as the Bashar al-Assad government is NOT universally recognized as the legitimate representative of all the Syrian people.

    The Syrian National Council (SNC), a Syrian opposition coalition based in Istanbul, Turkey, formed in August 2011 during the Syrian civil uprising (which escalated into civil war) against the government of Bashar al-Assad, is recognized by 27 UN members, the Republic of Kosovo and the European Union as a legitimate representative of the Syrian people in the midst of the Syrian Civil War, with three of those being permanent members of the Security Council (https://syriancouncil.org/; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...tional_Council).

    The Syrian Democratic Forces is the self-bestowed name for the official defense force of the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria. It is an alliance of forces formed during the Syrian civil war composed primarily of Kurdish, Arab, and Assyrian/Syriac, as well as some smaller Armenian, Turkmen and Chechen forces. It is not a name given by the US to any group.

    The fact that Russia illegally occupies and annexes Crimea, and recognizes parts of Luhansk and Donetsk regions as "People's Republics," doesn't make presence of Russian armed forces on Ukrainian territory legal.
    Every time you write a lot of letters, but letters will not substitute facts:

    - Member of NATO took part of Cyprus and keep it already 50 years

    - Syria represented and recognized in United Nations by representative from state government.

    Rest is just letters...
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    Every time you write a lot of letters, but letters will not substitute facts:

    - Member of NATO took part of Cyprus and keep it already 50 years

    - Syria represented and recognized in United Nations by representative from state government.

    Rest is just letters...
    Letters (?) Member of NATO took part of Cyprus and keep it already 50 years.

    Fact: This is a very simplistic view of a very complicated situation with a long history and involved two NATO countries, both members since 1952. Greece, then ruled by a junta, conspired with EOKA, organized by Colonel Georgios Grivas (a Greek citizen and later a general in the Greek army) to unite Cyprus with Greece as part of a grander scheme to revive the Byzantine Empire - which included what is now Turkey. Greece had already stationed a military division in Cyprus. On 15 November 1967, Greek Cypriot National Guard under his direct command overran two small villages on the critical Larnaca, Limassol, Nicosia intersection, resulting in the deaths of 27 Turkish Cypriots. The immediate result of this event was a Turkish ultimatum, which prompted the Greek military government to recall both the Greek Division and General Grivas to Athens. The second Greek junta overthrew the President of Cyprus after he expelled 550 Greek officers from the Cypriot National Guard. The President was overthrown on July 15 1974 by a coup d’état executed by forces of the Cypriot National Guard under direct instructions from Greece. The National Guard was led by Greek officers and consisted of Greek-Cypriot conscripts. The coup was swiftly followed by the Turkish invasion of Cyprus on 20 July in defense of Turkish Cypriots.

    The similarities between the Turkish position on the security of Turkish Cypriots and the Russian position on the security of ethnic Russians in Ukraine (who were under no threat prior to the "special military operation") should be obvious to you.

    Letters: Syria represented and recognized in United Nations by representative from state government.

    Fact: You originally wrote " legitimate Syrian government, government that is recognized by world and UN." I pointed out that the Bashar al-Assad government is not universally recognized by the world, including by three permanent members of the Security Council - France, the UK and the USA - do not recognize it. Moreover, you are factually incorrect in stating that al-Assad government is "recognized by the United Nations." The UN's own website points out that IT DOES NOT RECOGNIZE STATES - https://www.un.org/en/about-us/about-un-membership. Quote of the UN website: "How does a new State or Government obtain recognition by the United Nations? The recognition of a new State or Government is an act that only other States and Governments may grant or withhold. It generally implies readiness to assume diplomatic relations. The United Nations is neither a State nor a Government, and therefore does not possess any authority to recognize either a State or a Government. As an organization of independent States, it may admit a new State to its membership or accept the credentials of the representatives of a new Government." It then describes the procedure for gaining admission. The admission of the representatives of any particular government is decided by a majority vote of members - but not by the UN itself. There are many UN member states that are not recognized by other member states, e.g., the two Koreas do not recognize each other. In fact (not letters), the Republic of Turkey does not recognize the Republic of Cyprus.

    "Every time you write a lot of letters, but letters will not substitute facts" and "Rest is just letters" - actually, they are words composed of letters. Letters may not substitute for facts but they can be used to form words which explain the facts. All I have done in my postings is point out where I believe you are factually incorrect in your many assertions. The fact that you ignore many of the points I make because you cannot disprove what I write is telling.

    I was prompted to join this board by one of your own earlier postings in response to one which referred to the Turkish president as "Erdowan." Your response was something along the lines that his name is "Recep Tayyip Erdogan." In Turkish, it is written "Erdoğan" (note the line over the "g") and is pronounced as "Erdohan" or "Erdowan" Fact, not letters.

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    Re: The Brink of War?

    Dab69. Please continue to delight us with your "civilization", "culture" and political correctness. After all, there is not a drop of racism or fascism in it.

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    Re: The Brink of War?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Dab69. Please continue to delight us with your "civilization", "culture" and political correctness. After all, there is not a drop of racism or fascism in it.

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    Comment for members: it isn't private message, it was posted on this page.

    Doesn't appear to be slander...

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    veteran Russian diplomat to the U.N. Office at Geneva resigned his post Monday, saying he is "ashamed" of his country's invasion of Ukraine.

    Boris Bondarev, 41, confirmed his resignation in a letter delivered Monday morning at the Russian diplomatic mission blasting the “aggressive war unleashed” by President Vladimir Putin in Ukraine.

    “For twenty years of my diplomatic career I have seen different turns of our foreign policy, but never have I been so ashamed of my country as on Feb. 24 of this year,” he wrote

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    Re: The Brink of War?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...nb7Kz#image=14

    The Winter War That One Time Humiliated the Russians

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    Re: The Brink of War?

    Quote Originally Posted by dab69 View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...nb7Kz#image=14

    The Winter War That One Time Humiliated the Russians
    It is hard to call "humifaction" war, in which Russia got 11% of territory of Finland.

    Historical view on this war without of propaganda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
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    Sanctions on Russian fertilizers what have been announced in "5th packet" are already canceled: "suddenly" EU and US got - Russia is #1 in fertilizers export and these sanctions will lead to World famine.

    Even more "humiliation": payments in rubles make ruble stronger as it never been at last 5 years. Ruble is now 23,6% stronger against USD than year before, Euro is 7 years low, today it was lower than 60 rubles per Euro:

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