The Brink of War?

[Dragonman]

Russia always was the biggest Ukrainian supplier. Even now via NATO Ukraine receives the same Russian weapon: tanks from Poland, Czech rep. and other countries of Easter Europe. Even US send to Ukraine Russian helicopters, the same Poland and CR, and also Russian aircrafts like SU.

The difference being, of course, that these weapons are being given away by Russia, not sold, and will probably be upgraded to meet Ukraine's new military standards.

[Dragonman]

Zelensky calls on NATO to launch a preemptive strike to prevent Russia from using nuclear weapons
9:41 pm, October 6, 2022 Source: Ukrinform
Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky announced that NATO should preemptively strike Russia, in order to “exclude the possibility of use of nuclear weapons by Russia.”

He sees his end and demands NATO to be involved into war.

One website stating the Zelenskiy has called for a pre-emptive strike is Meduza (https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/10/06...uclear-weapons), which bills itself as "A digest of Russia’s investigative reports and news analysis. If it matters, we summarize it."

Ukinform (https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-pol...secretary.html), however, carries this report: "Ukrainian presidential press secretary Serhii Nykyforov has denied the incorrect quoting by some media outlets of Volodymyr Zelensky's words about "preemptive strikes" against Russia if it decides to use nuclear weapons. He said this on his Facebook page, Ukrinform reports. "The president spoke about the period before February 24. At that time, it was necessary to apply preventive measures to prevent Russia from starting a war. Let me remind you that the only measures that were discussed at that time were preemptive sanctions," Nykyforov said."

See also https://kyivindependent.com/news-fee...ike-on-russia: "President Volodymyr Zelensky, in his speech on Oct. 6, said NATO's role was to make it impossible for Russia to use nuclear weapons. He appealed to the international community "before Feb. 24, to do preemptive strikes, so they know what will happen to them if they use it, and not vice versa - to wait for nuclear strikes by Russia."

I guess you forgot that President Putin has been using nuclear blackmail in an attempt to slow down Ukraine's counteroffensive: "When its territorial integrity is threatened, Russia will use everything it can, this is not a bluff," Putin said on Sept. 21, hinting at the use of nuclear arms" (https://www.allsides.com/story/world...unteroffensive). Also "Putin threatens nuclear war. The West must deter disaster" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...raine-deter/): "Twice recently, Russian President Vladimir Putin has raised the prospect of using nuclear weapons in the war he launched to destroy Ukraine. With Russian forces retreating in Ukraine’s Donbas region, Mr. Putin’s threats amount to desperate saber-rattling intended to frighten all. But his threats must not be brushed off completely, given Mr. Putin’s record of folly and recklessness."

Now, Russia complains when there is a possibility the tables will be turned.

Next, Putin will be crying for his mother.

[Moses]

Next, Putin will be crying for his mother.

You forgot: 145:22. Ukrainian end is unavoidable. The only question: how much it will cost to Russia and West.

[cdnmatt]

You forgot: 145:22. Ukrainian end is unavoidable. The only question: how much it will cost to Russia and West.

About 6 months ago you were absolutely certain the war would be over in 2 or 3 weeks, and nowadays Ukraine is pushing Russian forces back quite a bit.

Wouldn't be so sure of yourself.

[cdnmatt]

Besides, what a horrible military strategy. Absolutely no regards for the human life of your own citizens and just "it's ok, we have more cannon fodder than they do, so we'll eventually win". That seems to be the strategy.

Ever heard of the Art of War by Sun Tzu? Putin may want to give it a read.

[Dragonman]

You forgot: 145:22. Ukrainian end is unavoidable. The only question: how much it will cost to Russia and West.

Correction: 141:43.8 (https://www.worlddata.info/country-c...S&country2=UKR).

The Russian figure is adjusted to represent the 4 million who have left since the beginning of the "special military operation" (https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...kraine-says-un). Of course, since the "special mobilization" began, more have left, particularly males of fighting age. I doubt whether even Putin will mobilize babushkas.

The population of the English 13 American colonies in 1776 was estimated White 1,941,609, and Black 524,588 (native Americans were not counted). The population of the UK was estimated In 1775 at 8,000,000 people; 2,350,000 of these could be considered the military manpower of the nation. (https://www.encyclopedia.com/history...in-and-america).

Who won?

[cdnmatt]

Correction: 141:43.8

It doesn't matter. Ukrainians are basically the modern day version of Spartans. Russia can not win, and they will not win:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJJxWdJVpvU

Russia can try all they want, but they already lost this war long ago.

[cdnmatt]

It's at the point where Russians are even fleeing to Alaska, and seeking asylum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_TJ4zuSYco

This would be funny if it wasn't real.

[Dodger]

It's at the point where Russians are even fleeing to Alaska, and seeking asylum.

Peter The Great must be turning in his grave.

I never realized it but 77% of Russian territory is SIBERIA which once belonged to China. Can you imagine what it would be like if the Chinese decided to annex Siberia???

Like Alaska, a cold and miserable place, which would explain why all the Oligarchs live in Miami.

[Moses]

It doesn't matter. Ukrainians are basically the modern day version of Spartans. Russia can not win, and they will not win:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJJxWdJVpvU

Russia can try all they want, but they already lost this war long ago.

You forgot to mention, what Ukrainians also Supermans, Batmans, Spider-Mans, Hals Jordan, Thors and Invisible Womans...