The Brink of War?

[latintopxxx]

...agree, fully agree that Putin invaded and devastated large areas/cities in Ukraine....Im referring specifically to the Bucha scenario....was the mayor not aware of the massacre...was it limited to one localised area only being the reason he was not aware...is he actually the mayor??

[cdnmatt]

Poland's deputy prime minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski has said his country is "open" to hosting US nuclear weapons as Russia continues its war in neighbouring Ukraine.

Kaczynski added that Poland was ready to host more US troops. "Poland would be pleased if the Americans increased their presence in Europe from the current 100,000 soldiers up to 150,000 in the future due to Russia's increasing aggressiveness," Jaroslaw Kaczynski said.

Poland has been increasingly worried over Russia's military campaign in Ukraine even as thousands of US troops are already stationed in Europe. In an interview with a German newspaper, Kaczynski called the "eastern flank" to be better protected than before while calling for a 50 per cent increase in US troops in Europe.

https://www.wionews.com/world/poland...czynski-468222

I say great idea, but put them well east of Warsaw. I guess how this plays out, assuming it's true that Russia views those nine land gateways into its territories as an extential threat, that means they're after two more right now. For one, they'll need to take Moldovo and even partially go into Romania as that's the one Turkey came through a couple times to invade Russia.

Then apparently between Poland and Ukraine there's massive flatlands that happen to narrow dramatically the most just east of Warsaw, which is another gateway Russia is probably trying to close to feel more secure from invasion. Putting a large contingent of US soldiers in eastern Poland would mean Russian soldiers know full well if they move into Poland, there will be direct combat with US soldiers. After taking on Ukrainians, I'm going to guess Russian soldiers wouldn't be overly enthusiastic about taking on American soldiers.

If this does happen, it'll be a huge play by the US as it'd most likely require a status of forces agreement, and the US only has three of those right now -- Germany and Japan since WWII, and South Korea since the Korean War.

[Moses]

...agree, fully agree that Putin invaded and devastated large areas/cities in Ukraine....Im referring specifically to the Bucha scenario....was the mayor not aware of the massacre...was it limited to one localised area only being the reason he was not aware...is he actually the mayor??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoliy_Fedoruk

whole Bucha is just 26 sq.km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha,_Kyiv_Oblast

[dab69]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoliy_Fedoruk

whole Bucha is just 26 sq.km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha,_Kyiv_Oblast

surely worth murdering and butchering people for...
then run away like cowards

[dab69]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...7d134594db8866

The pictures emerging of atrocities in Bucha, Ukraine, are shocking, but are they really surprising?

Consider the Russian way of war during the past decades, from Afghanistan to Chechnya to Syria. All these wars were characterized by mass casualty attacks against civilians by the Russians, as well as credible allegations of the summary executions of civilians by Russian forces.

In the 1980s, the Soviet Union waged a nine-year war in Afghanistan during which time Human Rights Watch reported, "Over one million Afghan civilians are believed to have been killed ... most in aerial bombardments. Tens of thousands have disappeared -- many of them the victims of summary executions. ..."

The atrocities continued in the following decade, this time closer to home. During Russia's first war in Chechnya in 1994, according to Russian human rights experts, around 25,000 civilians died during just two months of fighting in the capital, Grozny.

During the second Russian war in Chechnya, Russian soldiers summarily executed at least 38 civilians in Grozny between late December 1999 and mid-January 2000, according to Human Rights Watch

The International Federation for Human Rights found the Russians in Chechnya in 2000 had engaged in "summary executions and murders, physical abuse and torture; intentionally causing grave harm to people not directly involved in hostilities; deliberate attacks on the civilian population. ..."

During their two wars in Chechnya, the Russians flattened Grozny, once a city of more than 400,000 people. Indeed, the United Nations once declared Grozny the "most destroyed city on Earth."

More recently during the Syrian civil war -- a war that Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad was in danger of losing before Russia intervened in 2015 -- 8,683 civilians were killed by Russian bombardments, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

Atrocities are not only committed by Russia's conventional forces. Last year the European Union imposed sanctions on the Russian mercenary organization the Wagner Group, which operates as a proxy for the Russian government and military. The sanctions related to "serious human rights abuses, including torture and extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions," the EU said, citing the Wagner Group's actions in Libya, Syria and the Central African Republic. The Wagner Group has reportedly deployed 1,000 of its men to Ukraine.

What we are seeing in Bucha now is the Russian way of war at work, which seems designed to bludgeon civilian populations into submission, so as to expunge any possible resistance. Unfortunately, we can expect to see more Buchas in coming weeks.

[Surfcrest]

No.

I will ask question:
1. Why these bodies appears only in FOUR days after Russian army left this town?
2. Why bodies still have fresh wounds after 4 days?
3. Why some bodies have white strips on the clothes and hands of some bodies are tied by white strips - white is color of pro-Russian civilians.

That what I see more looks like Ukrainian Nazi tortured civilians who cooperated with Russian army and then call for TV...

The struggle for the truth continues between Russian controlled State Media (the truth according to Moses) and the truth from the rest of the entire world (and from many different sources).

Hard to believe we even have one member here still believing the bullshit.

Surfcrest

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/w...ne-bodies.html

[Dodger]

All I need are my own two eyes to tell me what the civilian population in Ukraine is up against.

Putin’s war is now over a mouth in the running and thanks to the scores of international correspondents and news journalists covering the story there are literally tens of thousands of photographs being published which show the devastation taking place across Ukraine very clearly. When I see towns completely destroyed…buildings and homes where people lived turned to smoldering embers…and over 2 million traumatized people fleeing across friendly borders to save themselves and their children, that’s all the information I need.

In Russia's military, a culture of brutality runs deep

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/04/e...ntl/index.html

[Moses]

The struggle for the truth continues between Russian controlled State Media (the truth according to Moses) and the truth from the rest of the entire world (and from many different sources).

Hard to believe we even have one member here still believing the bullshit.

Surfcrest

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/w...ne-bodies.html

Whole world many times trusted to bullshit. And it wasn't Russian bullshit:

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"We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima," Stahl said. "And, you know, is the price worth it?"

"I think that is a very hard choice," Albright answered, "but the price, we think, the price is worth it."

https://www.newsweek.com/watch-madel...rfaces-1691193

[Moses]

=======tens of thousands of photographs==========

It is how German ARD shows meeting of Klitchko (mayor of Kiev, 2 meters tall) and Olaf Scholz (1m 70 cm)

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[Moses]

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During their two wars in Chechnya, the Russians flattened Grozny, once a city of more than 400,000 people. Indeed, the United Nations once declared Grozny the "most destroyed city on Earth."
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Lie and false. Grozny never had population 400.000 in Russia - it has 400K in USSR but after 1991 many Chechens left country and settled in Europe. In 1994 when first war started Grozny has just slight above 200K. Right now it is 320,000+ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grozny

"Indeed" United States propaganda declares false as usual

Chechens are now Russian special forces and are fighting against Azov's Nazi. Watch video how Chechens kill Nazi form Azov Nazi battalion in Mariupol https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/1762

Presidential election in Chechnya gave 96% for Putin.


By the way
It is how Grozny looks now.

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