The Brink of War?

[Moses]

====Ok, another ~400 dead Russians and a training school turned into rubble.====

They were stupid and used mobile phones and paid for it by own life. HIMARS used to hit them. HIMARS was destructed as well by Russian missile. Correct number is 89.

[cdnmatt]

Well, who knows... Russia I think says 68, and Ukraine says over 400 dead. It's war, propaganda all over, so who knows what the actual body count is. Doesn't matter, one dead Russian or Ukrainian is too many.

Doesn't change the fact the West has yet to actually engage in this war, nor has the West provided Ukraine with the advanced weaponary they're asking for. Russia seems to be quickly running out of options here, whereas the West hasn't even started yet. You do realize what the West is sending Ukraine is very minimal compared to what the West actually has at its disposal, right?

You do realize us humans have only had two world wars, and the West has won both of them, right? If you Russians want to view the West as weak, then it's going to be your demise.

Hundreds of thousands of your fellow countrymen have realized this little fact, and have fled the country in order to not get conscripted. At what point do you realize it's not worth it? At what point do you realize the West doesn't care, and doesn't view Russia as an enemy? Well, now we do obviously, but that's because you guys won't stop invading sovereign nations.

Hell, Angela Merkel spent her entire career trying to foster good relations with Russia, a decision which she now regrets. You do realize that's it's up to you as Russian citizens to put an end to the war and bloodshed, right? Why do you continue supporting the murdering of your fellow brothers, sisters, and cousins in Ukraine? It makes no sense, and the easiest way for this war to end is for you Russians to wake up, realize it's not worth it, march on the Kremlin and let Putin know he's out of a job.

[Moses]

====Doesn't change the fact the West has yet to actually engage in this war, nor has the West provided Ukraine with the advanced weaponary they're asking for. Russia seems to be quickly running out of options here, whereas the West hasn't even started yet. You do realize what the West is sending Ukraine is very minimal compared to what the West actually has at its disposal, right?=====

Ahahahaha... She used her skills to give time to Ukraine to collect forces and to prepare own attacks... She clearly stated it in her interviews at few past months.

=== us humans have only had two world wars, West has won both of them, right ===

First war was West against West, so victory of West is predictable. Second one Russia won for West and lost 20 millions of citizens, West "won" nuclear bombarding of civilians.

===You do realize that's it's up to you as Canadian citizens to put an end to the war and bloodshed, right?===
Just stop to supply them and this "story" will has fast end. But end will be anyway: 145:25.

===Why do you continue supporting the murdering of your fellow brothers, sisters, and cousins in Ukraine?===
Because it is war for protection of East of Ukraine where are living "fellow brothers, sisters, and cousins" who speaks Russian. Do you really think I will support Ukrainians nationalists who killed 2 of my relatives? Russia gave chance to Ukraine - Minsk agreement, and 8 years waited for it implementation. 8 years is enough, what do you think?

[Moses]

The New York Times wrote the same I told few weeks ago:

Ukraine is getting more and more skilled at knocking down drones, but there is a growing imbalance: Many of its defensive weapons like surface-to-air missiles cost far more than the drones do. And that, some military experts say, may favor Moscow over the long haul.

Artem Starosiek, the head of Molfar, a Ukrainian consultancy that supports the country’s war effort, estimated that it costs up to seven times more to down a drone with a missile than it does to launch one. That is an equation that the Kremlin may be banking on, some analysts say.

drones that Moscow has increasingly been relying on since October are relatively uncomplicated devices and fairly cheap, while the array of weapons used to shoot them out of the sky can be much pricier, according to experts. The self-destructing drones can cost as little as $20,000 to produce, while the cost of firing a surface-to-air missile can range from $140,000 for a Soviet-era S-300 to $500,000 for a missile from an American NASAMS

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/w...ia-drones.html

[cdnmatt]

The US spends $782 billion per-year on its military, and that's not including all of Europe, the UK, Japan, Australia, South Korea, et al. You're up against a well funded force, and shortly, that force will have Patriot missile systems deployed.

I find it kind of funny that Russia has to buy drones from Iran though.

[cdnmatt]

Because it is war for protection of East of Ukraine where are living "fellow brothers, sisters, and cousins" who speaks Russian.

You're in support of allowing 44 million people to literally freeze to death. Some sign of love and affection that is.

[Moses]

You're in support of allowing 44 million people to literally freeze to death. Some sign of love and affection that is.

So, where was your tongue, when Ukraine cut out electricity and water from Crimea in 2014? There are living 2 mln + Should you care about them also? Something like " literally freeze to death" 8 years ago?

By the way: your logic is strange - Russia should care about Ukrainians, but Ukraine shouldn't care about own citizens in Crimea?? At least their clown-president non-stop speaks "Crimea is Ukraine" and you support them.

[Moses]

I find it kind of funny that Russia has to buy drones from Iran though.

Why not? They are cheap as dirt, "made in garage on knees", and make Ukrainians busy all days and nights, forcing use expensive missiles for to fight with peace of iron.

[cdnmatt]

So, where was your tongue, when Ukraine cut out electricity and water from Crimea in 2014? There are living 2 mln + Should you care about them also? Something like " literally freeze to death" 8 years ago?

By the way: your logic is strange - Russia should care about Ukrainians, but Ukraine shouldn't care about own citizens in Crimea?? At least their clown-president non-stop speaks "Crimea is Ukraine" and you support them.

How was that Ukraine's fault? Crimea was part of Russia at the time, hence it was the Russian government's responsibility to provide the residents of Crimea with energy and water.

Obviously, Ukrain isn't going to support the government of the country who invaded them.

[Moses]

How was that Ukraine's fault? Crimea was part of Russia at the time, hence it was the Russian government's responsibility to provide the residents of Crimea with energy and water.

Obviously, Ukrain isn't going to support the government of the country who invaded them.

Great. So you are in my logical trap now.

Indeed, Russia did it: it took only 2 months after start of blockade to lay 4 high-power underwater cables via Azov sea and build up whole power structure in Crimea. So, nobody was "frozen to death" in Crimea despite of efforts of Ukraine.

Now is time to Ukraine to care about their infrastructure. Why should Russia care?

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