The Brink of War?

[Moses]

Ukraine just declined 24 hours "Christmas peace" offered by Russia.

*Orthodox Christmas is tonight.

[cdnmatt]

Ukraine just declined 24 hours "Christmas peace" offered by Russia.

*Orthodox Christmas is tonight.

Russia has a long track record of being deceptive and not keeping their word, so why would anyone believe them? Not to mention, Russia had no problem bombing the hell out of Ukraine all through the Christmas on Dec 25th and New Years, so...

[Moses]

Russia has a long track record of being deceptive and not keeping their word

Well, lets count "long track"... please name here, how did you say? "long track"? well lets say 5 points...

and while your brains are boiling, I will remind you list for XX century:
- it is not Russia invaded to USA, but USA invaded to Russia,
- it is not Russia invaded to Germany, but Germany invaded to Russia, twice
- it is not Russia invaded to France, but France invaded to Russia,
- it is not Russia invaded to Canada, but Canada invaded to Russia,
- it is not Russia invaded to Japan, but Japan invaded to Russia,
- it is not Russia invaded to Italy, but Italy invaded to Russia,
- it is not Russia invaded to Romania, but Romania invaded to Russia

and I may continue to count... now is time for your counter...

[Moses]

Here is "small" list of international agreements what are still not signed or signed but not ratified by USA:

1930 Forced Labour Convention International Labour Organization signed, not ratified
1948 Freedom of Association and Protection of the Right to Organise Convention International Labour Organization not signed
1949 Right to Organise and Collective Bargaining Convention, 1949 International Labour Organization not signed
1950 Convention for the Suppression of the Traffic in Persons and of the Exploitation of the Prostitution of Others UN Secretary-General not signed
1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees UN Secretary-General only 1967 protocol
1951 Equal Remuneration Convention International Labour Organization signed, not ratified
1954 Convention Relating to the Status of Stateless Persons UN Secretary-General not signed
1958 Discrimination (Employment and Occupation) Convention International Labour Organization signed, not ratified
1960 Convention against Discrimination in Education UNESCO signed, not ratified
1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness UN Secretary-General not signed
1962 Convention on Consent to Marriage, Minimum Age for Marriage and Registration of Marriages UN Secretary-General signed, not ratified
1964 Employment Policy Convention, 1964 International Labour Organization signed, not ratified
1966 International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights UN Secretary-General signed, not ratified
1966 First Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights UN Secretary-General not signed
1969 Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity UN Secretary-General signed, not ratified
1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties UN Secretary-General signed, not ratified
1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty Bilateral US–Soviet treaty ratified 1972, withdrew 2002
1973 Minimum Age Convention, 1973 International Labour Organization signed, not ratified
1977 American Convention on Human Rights Organization of American States signed, not ratified
1977 Protocol I (Geneva Conventions amendment) UN Secretary-General signed, not ratified
1977 Protocol II (Geneva Conventions amendment) UN Secretary-General signed, not ratified
1979 Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) UN Secretary-General signed 1980, not ratified[3]
1979 Salt II Bilateral US–Soviet treaty signed 1979, withdrew 1980
1979 Moon Treaty UN Secretary-General not signed
1981 Occupational Safety and Health Convention, 1981 International Labour Organization signed, not ratified
1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) UN Secretary-General not signed
1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty Bilateral US–Soviet treaty ratified 1988, withdrew 2019
1989 Second Optional Protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights UN Secretary-General not signed
1989 Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC) UN Secretary-General signed 1995, not ratified
1989 Basel Convention UN Secretary-General signed, not ratified
1990 International Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families UN Secretary-General not signed
1992 Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) UN Secretary-General signed, not ratified
1994 Convention on the Safety of United Nations and Associated Personnel UN Secretary-General signed, not ratified
1996 Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty UN Secretary-General signed, not ratified
1997 Kyoto Protocol UN Secretary-General signed, not ratified
1997 Ottawa Treaty (Mine Ban Treaty) UN Secretary-General not signed
1998 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court UN Secretary-General signed 1998, withdrew 2002
1999 Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (OP-CEDAW) UN Secretary-General not signed
1999 Civil Law Convention on Corruption Council of Europe not signed
2002 Optional Protocol to the Convention against Torture (OPCAT) UN Secretary-General not signed
2007 International Convention for the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance (ICPPED) UN Secretary-General not signed
2007 Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities UN Secretary-General signed 2009, not ratified
2008 Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM) UN Secretary-General not signed
2011 Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) Government of Japan signed, not ratified
2013 Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) UN Secretary-General signed, not ratified
2016 Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) signed 2016, withdrew 2017

[cdnmatt]

My god, is Russia ever about to get crushed this March / April with the weapon shipments that are coming in from the West.

This whole thing is just so sad. Millions of people in Ukraine literally freezing to death, loads of boys and girls in Russia going to bed starving every night because their father and the bread winner of the house was conscripted, and the list is endless.

Now the question becomes, what happens when Russia becomes a failed state yet again? With these shipments that are coming into Ukraine over teh next few months seem to signal the West is fed up with this bullshit, and willing to put an end to it. Ukraine is slated to receive a massive amount of heavy weaponary from all over -- US, UK, Germany, France, Czech Republic, Poland, et al.

Once Russia falls, there's going to be a power vacuum. Who's going to fill it?

[Moses]

==== loads of boys and girls in Russia going to bed starving every night because their father and the bread winner of the house was conscripted, and the list is endless.====

who told this fantasy to you?
families of mobilized receive $2000 monthly + one time payment $1000-$4000 (depends on region of living) + all bank loans are freezed till father return + 6 months. All conscripts have insurance $75000. Their children have free education in UNI or college.

[cdnmatt]

Moses, Russia lost this war the day the invaded back in Fev 2022.

Just look at what the next shipments of weaponary from the West that are being sent to Ukraine are going to be. Just simply looking at those shipments, you can tell the West is fed up with this bullshit, and is ready to put an end to this war once and for all.

Russia will become a failed state (again), and there's no question about that in my mind. There's zero chance Russia can withstand the amount of pressure that's being put on it.

The question now is, what happens once Russia fails? Who fills that power vacuum?

[Moses]

Matty, 145:25... West will prolong war till last Ukrainian?

[cdnmatt]

Zelensky pledged this war will be over this year in 2023. Considering the fire power Ukraine is receiving over the next few months, I tend to agree with him.

Moses, you said this war would be over in a couple weeks 10 months ago, so you're not exactly a trusted bastion of knowledge.

How you are still in support of this war is beyond me. You don't seem to realize how badly this is going to go for Russia. What's Russia going to do once the war ends? You do realize Russia doesn't even really have a skilled labor force anymore, right? They're all either dead or fled the country.

You don't seem to yet realize this, but Putin has fucked Russia for decades to come, to the point Russia may actually become a failed state in the near future. Yet, you still just blindly and patriotically support the war. It's mind boggling.

[cdnmatt]

Matty, 145:25... West will prolong war till last Ukrainian?

Not to be overly calice or anything here, but you do realize you basically just openly called for the genocide of the Ukrainian population, right?

What ever happned to the targetted strikes against the Nazis?