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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Posting this image (for which you give neither a URL for its source nor a date and place for where the image was captured, but which I believe you have posted elsewhere in this thread) is an example of two logical fallacies.

    The first is the rhetorical fallacy of “argument by repetition” in which a person states the same point over and over again, eventually wearing the other person down to the point where they no longer want to continue the argument.

    The second is the fallacy of "proof by assertion," which is sometimes also known as "proof by repeated assertion," and which is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction and refutation.

    The proposition can sometimes be repeated until any challenges or opposition cease, letting the proponent assert it as fact, and solely due to a lack of challengers - which is known as "argumentum ad nauseam" (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam). Repetition of such claims may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.

    There are on the Internet numerous images of the front page of tabloid newspapers that show Prince Harry wearing a Nazi uniform, complete with swastika armband. As far as I know, no-one seriously believes he is a Nazi - though the case for his so being could be argued by the logical fallacies identified above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonman View Post
    Posting this image (for which you give neither a URL for its source nor a date and place for where the image was captured, but which I believe you have posted elsewhere in this thread) is an example of two logical fallacies.

    The first is the rhetorical fallacy of “argument by repetition” in which a person states the same point over and over again, eventually wearing the other person down to the point where they no longer want to continue the argument.

    The second is the fallacy of "proof by assertion," which is sometimes also known as "proof by repeated assertion," and which is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction and refutation.

    The proposition can sometimes be repeated until any challenges or opposition cease, letting the proponent assert it as fact, and solely due to a lack of challengers - which is known as "argumentum ad nauseam" (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam). Repetition of such claims may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.

    There are on the Internet numerous images of the front page of tabloid newspapers that show Prince Harry wearing a Nazi uniform, complete with swastika armband. As far as I know, no-one seriously believes he is a Nazi - though the case for his so being could be argued by the logical fallacies identified above.
    yes, first reaction is always denying... just remember: you are their advocate, how do you feel yourself?

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    First two rows on black banner: "Nationalism is our religion"

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    Re: The Brink of War?

    Maybe you would like to comment that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Sure... and one by one they have the same end: court and prison. No one of Russian nationalists is sitting in parliament nor govt.

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    By the way: it is good theme.


    How looks court where is going hearing of "nationalists case" in Moscow:

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    How looks court where is going hearing of "nationalists case" in Kiev:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    yes, first reaction is always denying... just remember: you are their advocate, how do you feel yourself?

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    I have to begin my response by noting that my post was a reaction to your posting - yet again - without comment, an undated photo from an unidentified source as a supposed response. The purpose of my posting was to indicate that your response was an example of at least two logical fallacies, i.e., you expect people to believe you simply because you keep posting such images.

    Nowhere in any of my posts have I written anything that could be taken as advocating support for National Socialism in any of its forms. Nor have I denied anywhere that groups of people who self-identify as Nazis exist in Ukraine or elsewhere - including in Russia, as Andy indicates and your photos of various individuals in court seems to confirm. What I have consistently questioned is the excuse used by Putin to launch his "special military operation" that such Ukrainian groups formed a threat to the existence of the Russian Federation. I have nowhere seen any hard evidence that these groups were threatening the existence of the Russian Federation. If you know of any such evidence, why don't you post it here? Why has Putin not presented this evidence to the world instead of launching a "special military operation" on the excuse that "Its goal is to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide... for the last eight years." Only after this opening sentence did he add, "And for this we will strive for the demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine. And to bring to court those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation." Notice that "denazification" was not his main excuse but an objective.

    With regard to the banner on "Nationalism is our religion," which was used in a march hosted by the militant white nationalist Karpatska Sich for Eastern European "radical youth" for the "Radical Alliance" in the city of Uzhhorod (which is at the border with Slovakia and near the border with Hungary) in April 2019 (see, e.g., https://twitter.com/kooleksiy/status...17097234587648 - note I reference the source), why didn't you mention also that the march also included Hungary's "Legio Hungaria," and that the march was also against "chauvinism, liberalism, and capitalism"?

    I do not know in which context the march was using the slogan "Nationalism is our religion," so I cannot comment on what particular interpretation the marchers put on the expression. I note, however, that when I made a Google search, a range of links showed that it has been used in reference to articles such as "Nationalism as Religion" (Studies: An Irish Quarterly Review, Vol. 86, No. 343 (Autumn, 1997), pp. 248-258), "Christian Nationalism Is ‘Single Biggest Threat’ to America’s Religious Freedom" (https://www.americanprogress.org/art...gious-freedom/), and "Russian ethnic nationalism and religion today" (Anastasia Mitrofanova, from the book "The New Russian Nationalism: Imperialism, Ethnicity and Authoritarianism 2000–2015," edited by Pål Kolstø and Helge Blakkisrud, published by Edinburgh University Press, March 2016, and widely cited). Obviously, the term has difference meanings in different contexts, but the fact that Dr. Anastasia Mitrofanova, who is the Chair of Political Science, Church-State Relations and the Sociology of Religion at the Russian Orthodox University as well as Professor at the Russian State University for the Humanities, can use the term with reference to conditions inside the Russian Federation suggests that you should not throw the term about lightly.

    The fact that no members of certain political and other groups have been elected to the present Russian parliament simply reflects what is widely known - Putin has either purged, forced into exile, imprisoned or disenfranchised political opponents such as Alex Navalny, as the BBC reported on March 22, 2022: "Russia Navalny: Putin critic given nine-year jail sentence in trial branded 'sham'" (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60832310).

    With regard to the difference in the appearance of courts, is Russia taken credit for what I assume is war damage to that in Kyiv?

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    the old dinosaur is trying to justify murderous actions with pictures of salutes.
    Sorry, it doesn't make any sense to me either...

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