The Brink of War?

[cdnmatt]

I don't even know where to begin responding to that...

[Moses]

I don't even know where to begin responding to that...

You may start here:

Year 2015. Ukrainians are happy what 2.5 millions of Crimean are without electricity and water and posting mems in social networks:

Malevich, "Night in Crimea", on the picture "Black Square".

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Space view on Crimea at night - night lights everywhere in Ukraine except Crimea.

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And most fabulous video: current Ukrainian president Zelenskiy plays role of Crimean citizen who is living without water in "comic" scene on Ukrainian TV, Oct 25, 2014. Full hall of Ukrainians is laughing when Zelenskiy shows Crimean citizen who want to drink water:




Karma found them. Boomerang is back, with strong kick.

Once again: peace talks are forbidden by Ukrainian law since September 20, 2022 by decree of Zelenskiy. He burned all bridges.
Official site https://www.president.gov.ua/documents/6792022-44249 Ukrainian language.

[cdnmatt]

What the hell are you on about now? Back in 2015 Crimea was part of Russia, hence their gas and energy supply was fully the responsibilit of Russia. Why would Ukraine supply their sown enemy power and gas, especially when that enemy just recently invaded and annexed a good chunk of their country?

Not to mention, not supporting your enemy is a far cry from actively bombing the hell out of a foreign nation's power grids and water infrastructure in order to freeze them to death this winter and/or pound them into submission.

Besides, I thought this whole special military operation was just some targetted attacks agains the Nazis.

[Moses]

Back in 2015 Crimea was part of Russia,

You just said words what will cost you 7 years in prison in Ukraine. Ukraine counts Crimea part of Ukraine occuped by Russia.


Also that means what Ukraine cut electricity and water for own citizens who is living under occupation, despite Russia's offer to pay for water.


And that means what Zelenskiy and Ukrainians laugh on Ukrainians who is living in Crimea without electricity and water. They laugh, not me.

Not to mention, not supporting your enemy is a far cry from actively bombing the hell out of a foreign nation's power grids and water infrastructure in order to freeze them to death this winter and/or pound them into submission.

Oh, darling, you have no idea how far Ukrainian Nazi govt may step. Here is speech of Poroshenko - first president of Ukraine after coup, he speaks in Ukrainian in 2014 while talking about East of Ukraine (translated from Ukrainian by Google)

"We'll have a job - they won't. We will have pensions - they don't. We will have support for children and pensioners - they don't.Our children will go to schools and kindergartens - their children will sit in basements. Because they can't do anything. This is how we will win this war."

He is talking about war with own citizens.



Kids of Lugansk and Donetsk spend 7 years in basements under bombing. Boomerang is back. 145:25.

P.S. By the way: Russia still pump oil, gas, ammonium via Ukrainian territory by pipes and pays to Ukraine. So take your false proudness for Ukrainians back - they easy accept deals with "enemy", Ukrainian govt has no principles when is time to talk about money.

[cdnmatt]

Oh, darling, you have no idea how far Ukrainian Nazi govt may step.

Yeah, that Jewish President of Ukraine... what a Nazi asshole that guy is.

You're so far gone and brainwashed, there's no point in even talking to you.

[Moses]

You're so far gone and brainwashed, there's no point in even talking to you.

You are living in own fantasies under cooked by Western mass medias half truth, I'm yearly visiting graves of my relatives who was killed by Ukrainian nationalists. Who of us is brainwashed?

Read again words of Ukrainian president, November 2014: Our children will go to schools and kindergartens - their children will sit in basements.

[cdnmatt]

Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around. Enough said.

When will you realize this move by Russia was as horrible and abhorrent as when Bush invaded Iraq? The vast majority of the Western world is still livid at Bush and his cronies for doing that.

Why are you not enraged that Putin is basically doing the exact same thing, except with more brutality? He's literally deploying the military to ensure kids freeze to death and don't have running water.

Who does that?

[Moses]

The vast majority of the Western world

I don't know how much supports Bush, but look at the picture:

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Up-s... I forgot. Sorry.

[Dodger]

[QUOTE=Moses;293141]

Powerplants are legal military targets by Hague convention./QUOTE]

According to International Law the war that Russia launched on Ukraine is "Illegal", thus the targeting of ANYTHING on Ukrainian soil is also illegal.

I seriously doubt that the Hague Convention you keep referring to will override International Law when it comes time to prosecute Putin and Russia's military for the atrocious war crimes it's committing.

[cdnmatt]

[QUOTE=Dodger;293170]

Powerplants are legal military targets by Hague convention./QUOTE]

According to International Law the war that Russia launched on Ukraine is "Illegal", thus the targeting of ANYTHING on Ukrainian soil is also illegal.

I seriously doubt that the Hague Convention you keep referring to will override International Law when it comes time to prosecute Putin and Russia's military for the atrocious war crimes it's committing.

Russian leadership will never be prosecuted for this war. Same as Bush and his cronies were never prosecuted for their bullshit war in Iraq, which many people were calling for.

Only chance of Russian leadership being prosecuted for their war crimes is if they're stupid enough to start using WMD, whether that's nuclear, chemical or biological, and force the West's hand into going into Moscow. Let's hope that never happens though.

Aside from that though, they're protected, and nothing we can do about their war crimes. Yell at them in the UN I guess, but that doesn't do anything. Other than that, the West just continues its mission of plunging the Russian economy into poverty and depleting their military. From the looks of things, seems like the West is doing a pretty good job so far.

I kind of wish NATO would step in at this point though. You can't just let tens of millions of people including women and children freeze to death like this.