The Brink of War?

[Moses]

Reuters: Yesterday 267 Ukrainian soldiers and officers with white flags capitulated in "Azovstal" in Mariupol. They were divided on two parts. Smaller part has been escorted to Donetsk territory. Bigger part - to Crimea.

I think I know how they were sorted: Nazi from "Azov" battalion were send to Donetsk, soldiers from Ukrainian army - to Crimea. Because Russia has no death penalty in criminal code, but Donetsk Republic has, so everyone of Nazi from "Azov" will be interrogated what he did at past 8 years.

[Dragonman]

It was about bilateral agreements about intellectual property protection...

Oh - you mean all those international treaties and other bilateral agreements I mentioned?

I was very interested to note that Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation dated March 5, 2022 No. 430-r (http://ips.pravo.gov.ru:8080/default...01202203070001) explicitly notes Taiwan (China) as an "unfriendly nation," separate from the PRC. Russia imports many products from the PRC which are made at Taiwanese-owned operations. Although this trade is officially considered in the statistics as part of Russian-PRC trade, will these products be sanctioned too?

Russia adopted adopted new legislation matching international standards for the protection of intellectual property rights by, in particular, increasing sanctions for, and improving legal mechanisms to combat infringements of intellectual property rights as part of its accession to the World Trade Organization. I will not be surprised if soon there are moves to expel it from that body, in view of its new legislation on IP rights belonging to "unfriendly countries." See "Invasion of Ukraine: Russia’s Trade Status. Tariffs, and WTO Issues" (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN11881).

[dab69]

Russians confirm they are hitting Ukrainian targets with banned cluster and phosphorus weapons Security Service of Ukraine

The Russian invaders confirm that they are using phosphorus and cluster weapons in Ukraine, which are prohibited by international conventions.

Source: another intercept of the invaders' conversation by the Security Service of Ukraine

Details: These are particularly dangerous and inhumane types of weapons.

Thus, the Russian Federation continues to grossly violate the laws and customs of war, in order to destroy as many peaceful Ukrainians as possible.

Since 2014, the Security Service of Ukraine has repeatedly recorded the use of prohibited weapons by Russian occupiers in the area of the Anti-Terrorist Operation Zone/Joint Forces Operation. Since the beginning of the large-scale invasion, these war crimes have been committed by the occupiers along the entire front line. The Security Service of Ukraine documents each of them.

The intercepts and the collected data will be included in the materials for the international courts, so that no Russian war criminal escapes punishment, the intelligence service notes.

Quote from the occupier: "Yes, they are still waiting for Volodka (Putin -ed.). To get all this f*cked up, he will withdraw the troops and f*cking fire "Topols" here. And so, you see, everything that was forbidden by international conventions: cluster bombs, phosphorus – we were allowed everything, we let everything go there."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russians-...112214181.html


More war crimes by Herr Putin and his Nazi mob

[Moses]

Oh - you mean all those international treaties and other bilateral agreements I mentioned?

I was very interested to note that Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation dated March 5, 2022 No. 430-r (http://ips.pravo.gov.ru:8080/default...01202203070001) explicitly notes Taiwan (China) as an "unfriendly nation," separate from the PRC. Russia imports many products from the PRC which are made at Taiwanese-owned operations. Although this trade is officially considered in the statistics as part of Russian-PRC trade, will these products be sanctioned too?

why they should be? the most annoying is US propaganda, but did you heard of any "sanctioned products" for to export from Russia to US besides rocket engines?

Russia adopted adopted new legislation matching international standards for the protection of intellectual property rights by, in particular, increasing sanctions for, and improving legal mechanisms to combat infringements of intellectual property rights as part of its accession to the World Trade Organization. I will not be surprised if soon there are moves to expel it from that body, in view of its new legislation on IP rights belonging to "unfriendly countries." See "Invasion of Ukraine: Russia’s Trade Status. Tariffs, and WTO Issues" (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IN/IN11881).

"If soon"? There are strong pressure for to expel already... who cares then about "adopting new legislation"???

[cdnmatt]

Don't cry "Huraaa!" before jump. Erdogan yesterday told "We don't say "yes"

It's called politics, Moses. Turkey isn't going to block their approval.

[dab69]

Final communication from the Moskva cruiser: Two holes, lying on its side

Ukrayinska Pravda
Sun, May 15, 2022, 5:17 AM·2 min read

OLENA ROSHCHINA - SUNDAY, 15 MAY 2022, 13:17

Pivden (South) Operational Command has posted a recording of communications from the Moskva cruiser that took place as the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet was sinking.

Source: audio recording on the Pivden Operational Command page on Facebook

Quote: "The final recording of communications aboard the Moskva cruiser: shouting about two hits, rolling to the side, need to save the crew."

Details: The communications officer informs the tugboat that there is an emergency on the ship: "Moskva-1 - two holes, propeller stalled, sinking, lying on its side."

The man shouts that there is a hole below the waterline and a roll of 30 degrees.

He says "there is no way to get closer" to the tugboats.

"We’re doing our best to save the crew," he says from the Moskva cruiser.

Background:

In the evening of 13 April, it became known that Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missiles had hit the Moskva missile cruiser, the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet. After that, the cruiser with its 16 cruise missiles was forced out of action and sank.

Experts analysed satellite images and determined the exact coordinates of the Moskva cruiser at the time when it was hit by the Ukrainian Neptune missile and concluded that half of the crew had been killed or wounded.

CNN and The New York Times reported that the US had allegedly helped Ukraine with intelligence regarding the location of the Moskva cruiser. The Pentagon denied this: "The Ukrainians have their own intelligence capabilities to track and target Russian naval vessels, as they did in this case."

Investigative journalists believe that the crew of the Moskva cruiser may have been two-thirds conscripts. Relatives of the Moskva sailors searched for them and were told that the cruiser was not on a combat mission and the sailors were missing in action. Survivors, however, said that the cruiser was on its way to Odesa with a landing force.

Forbes estimated that the sunk Moskva cruiser was worth US$750 million.

The Ukrainian postal service issued stamps commemorating the sinking of the cruiser that included the Ukrainian border guards’ phrase "Russian warship, go f#ck yourself".

https://www.yahoo.com/news/final-com...101751781.html


Now Putin can brag about his big submarine

[Moses]

Russians confirm they are hitting Ukrainian targets with banned cluster and phosphorus weapons Security Service of Ukraine

The Russian invaders confirm that they are using phosphorus and cluster weapons in Ukraine, which are prohibited by international conventions.

Source: another intercept of the invaders' conversation by the Security Service of Ukraine

Details: These are particularly dangerous and inhumane types of weapons.

Thus, the Russian Federation continues to grossly violate the laws and customs of war, in order to destroy as many peaceful Ukrainians as possible.

Since 2014, the Security Service of Ukraine has repeatedly recorded the use of prohibited weapons by Russian occupiers in the area of the Anti-Terrorist Operation Zone/Joint Forces Operation. Since the beginning of the large-scale invasion, these war crimes have been committed by the occupiers along the entire front line. The Security Service of Ukraine documents each of them.

The intercepts and the collected data will be included in the materials for the international courts, so that no Russian war criminal escapes punishment, the intelligence service notes.

Quote from the occupier: "Yes, they are still waiting for Volodka (Putin -ed.). To get all this f*cked up, he will withdraw the troops and f*cking fire "Topols" here. And so, you see, everything that was forbidden by international conventions: cluster bombs, phosphorus – we were allowed everything, we let everything go there."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russians-...112214181.html


More war crimes by Herr Putin and his Nazi mob

US and EU collaborate with Nazi, shame on you.

By the way: white phosphorus bombs aren't prohibited weapon despite that you read in your medias. They are for to start fire, not for to hit people. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is...ussia-ukraine/

So is using it a war crime?

Because of its incendiary effects, the use of phosphorus in war is supposed to be tightly regulated under international law — but it is not banned. Phosphorus is not classed as a chemical weapon under the Chemical Weapons Convention.

When used as a weapon, it can cause fire to rain down on targets, inflicting indiscriminate damage. It is illegal, therefore, for phosphorus to be used near civilians, because international law requires that combatants distinguish between civilian and military elements.

There have been documented civilian casualties from the use of white phosphorus in war zones around the world, including Syria, Afghanistan, Gaza and elsewhere, according to Human Rights Watch.

The organization has called on world leaders to close loopholes in the international agreement governing incendiary weapons, or fully ban them, but claims that "a small number of countries have blocked progress."

Secretary of State Antony Blinken announced this week that the U.S. assesses that "members of Russia's forces have committed war crimes in Ukraine," and noted "credible reports of indiscriminate attacks and attacks deliberately targeting civilians" — but he did not include any mention of allegations involving use of white phosphorus.

About clustering bombs: as per UN human right commissar report both side uses clustering bombs. Well...

[Moses]

It's called politics, Moses. Turkey isn't going to block their approval.

Yes, yes. The same as Hungary isn't going to block oil embargo, Biden announced 200 rubles per 1 dollar, and your happy messages about "expert announced default of Russia at March 16"...

EU commissars announced "tomorrow oil embargo" already second month. At past week Borrell "we will have embargo at next Monday", yesterday "we don't warrant embargo".

Yesterday EU announced what payment for gas to Gasprombank doesn't break sanctions anymore... Orwell.

[Moses]

Final communication from the Moskva cruiser: Two holes, lying on its side

Ukrayinska Pravda
Sun, May 15, 2022, 5:17 AM·2 min read

"Ukrainska Pravda" translation "Ukrainian Truth" . It is already oxymoronic.

Investigative journalists believe

some people even believe in gods, should I follow them?

[Dragonman]

[QUOTE=Moses;290568]US and EU collaborate with Nazi, shame on you.

By the way: white phosphorus bombs aren't prohibited weapon despite that you read in your medias. They are for to start fire, not for to hit people. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is...ussia-ukraine/

Confused again on both counts.

1. You keep parroting the Putin claim about Nazis in Ukraine, in particular the use of the Azov regiment, while ignoring Nazi and Neo-Nazi groups in Russia. Neo-Nazi, far right and xenophobic groups admittedly do exist in Ukraine, but they also exist in other countries, including Russia. While they may be vocal, can be prone to violence, they are numerically small, marginal and their political influence at the state level is non-existent. Skinheads and Neo-Nazi groups in Russia a much bigger problem and threat than the Ukrainian far right. Neo-Nazi membership in the Azov regiment has been estimated at no more than 20%. In parliamentary elections, the far right only rarely exceeded 3% of the popular vote, far less than in much of the rest of Europe.

Putin has used Neo-Nazi groups in Russia to obliterate his opponents, particularly in a movement called "Nashi" or "Ours," and later in two rival Kremlin proxies, the nationalist “Young Russia” group and the anti-immigration “Locals” group. These organizations became bridges between the Neo-Nazi subculture and the Kremlin. Russia is so anti-Neo-Nazi that it permitted German Neo-Nazis to be trained at Russian camps. The participants received training in how to use weapons and explosives. They were also trained in close combat. Swedish and Finnish nationals were also among the trainees. Participants went on to join Russian militias active in eastern Ukraine. (https://www.dw.com/en/german-neo-naz...ort/a-53692907). I believe you acknowledged in an earlier post that such training had taken place.

Is this a case of our Neo-Nazis are all right but yours are not?

2. Article 1 of Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons defines an incendiary weapon as "any weapon or munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons through the action of flame, heat, or combination thereof, produced by a chemical reaction of a substance delivered on the target". Article 2 of the same protocol prohibits the deliberate use of incendiary weapons against civilian targets (already forbidden by the Geneva Conventions), the use of air-delivered incendiary weapons against military targets in civilian areas, and the general use of other types of incendiary weapons against military targets located within "concentrations of civilians" without taking all possible means to minimize casualties.

"About clustering bombs: as per UN human right commissar report both side uses clustering bombs. Well..."

Cluster bombs are banned under an international treaty (the 2010 Convention on Cluster Munitions) that prohibits the use, transfer, production and stockpiling of the weapons. The treaty cites the failure of many submunitions to explode on impact, leaving dangerous ordnance in fields and urban areas that could kill or maim people. Russia and Ukraine are among the countries who are not signatories to the treaty. But an attack of any kind that indiscriminately attacks civilians would probably be a war crime if their use was neither a military necessity nor proportional to the threat they are facing, and so against the Geneva Conventions. Moreover, based on the Geneva Conventions standard of command responsibility, the commanding General as well as anyone else in his chain of command is culpable.