The Brink of War?

[Moses]

========== Is this a case of our Neo-Nazis ========

yeah, I remember how Roosevelt said "Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." Now you have "our Neo-Nazi" for to collaborate and to support. Brilliant.

Difference btw Russia and Ukraine is: in Russia Neo-Nazi sits in jail, in Ukraine they sits in parliament, government and army's headquarters, parading by center of capital.

PS and in US Neo-Nazi shoots about 10 victims per each accident.

[Moses]

Shameless Ukrainian government calls the capitulation of "Azov" battalion in Mariupol "Ukrainian rescue operation" in official news.

Russian army had meeting with "Azov", Donetsk Republic gave buses for evacuation, hospitals in Donetsk and Crimea accept wounded Ukrainian soldiers, but it is "Ukrainian rescue operation".

This is all you have to know about "Ukrainska pravda" (Ukrainian truth).

[Dragonman]

I now realize the meaning of "my truth" to the "woke generation" as displayed in postings about the success and righteousness of Russia's "special military operation" in Ukraine that was supposed to be a victory in seven days. On Day 83 (May 17), victory seems less assured but comments about Russian successful and righteous actions continue. In this context, these truths are not the same as facts (i.e., the quality of being actual, something that actually exists), but something that simply serves the deepening of the poster's own beliefs. They are straight out of Trump's playbook - "alternative facts" as Kellyanne Conway called them.

[dab69]

US and EU collaborate with Nazi, shame on you.

Not shame on Putin and the Russian Nazis -
invading and killing thousands on both sides.
Go bathe in "deer antler blood" ceremony with murderer that
steals your money and enslaves/kills your nephews.

And the Moskva "sunk from a fire on board-"
you ignorant old dinosaur.

[dab69]

Kremlin Tells Russians: Don’t Worry, This War Will ‘Make Your Lives Better’

Nearly three months into Vladimir Putin’s “special military operation” in Ukraine, amid skyrocketing prices at home and potentially decades of economic gains lost, the Kremlin insists its war will “make life better” for ordinary Russians.

“We are in fact now living in the conditions of a perfect storm and the moment of truth, that very storm and moment of truth that will ensure and protect our interests, and make it so that your lives are better, more comfortable, more stable, and more secure,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Tuesday.

Speaking at the “New Horizons” education marathon, Peskov insisted that “our president knows where he is leading our country,” and that “the whole country supports him.”

The Kremlin, he said, is “confident that we will win and achieve all our goals”—a jarring claim after Russian forces have repeatedly been forced to retreat from what they believed would be a quick victory in Ukraine, and ordinary Russians have been forced to bear the brunt of the economic fallout.

The war that the Kremlin has depicted as a heroic crusade against nonexistent neo-Nazi leaders in Ukraine has led to hundreds of foreign companies cutting ties with Russia, killed as many as 27,000 Russian troops, and, according to Ukrainian intelligence, left Putin’s military in shambles.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kremlin-t...115327498.html

[Andy]

What a strange feeling when people accuse each other of aiding the Nazis at a forum dedicated to gay affairs in a Buddhist country... I wish this thread had never existed.

[Moses]

Russia will be isolated and punished severely by the civilised world for decades to come, and rightly so.

You lost rights to call yourself "civilized" in August 8 1945 when first nuclear bomb has been dropped on the heads of Japanese civilians. Since that day you are more barbaric than tribes in Amazonian basin.

Half of your "civilized world" still has "death penalty" in criminal code, but at the same time prints on money bills "In God we trust", another half still has classes and must to bow and curtsey in front of sick "aristocrats", who call themself "kings" and "queens" just because they have specific family names... even more: some of your countries have foreign queen as a head of state... why you call your countries sovereign then?

you ignorant old dinosaur.

at first: you have no idea how old I am, at second: I am glad to see what you have no arguments for to dispute subject and have to switch on discussion of my personality for to keep your face in front of my arguments... good luck, you may continue - show your "culture" in full blooming... by the way: do you still think what

+5C about 58F

how much is 2+3?

[cdnmatt]

You lost rights to call yourself "civilized" in August 8 1945 when first nuclear bomb has been dropped on the heads of Japanese civilians. Since that day you are more barbaric than tribes in Amazonian basin.

Half of your "civilized world" still has "death penalty" in criminal code, but at the same time prints on money bills "In God we trust", another half still has classes and must to bow and curtsey in front of sick "aristocrats", who call themself "kings" and "queens" just because they have specific family names... even more: some of your countries have foreign queen as a head of state... why you call your countries sovereign then?

Cool, too bad the Russian military sucks so badly, eh?

[Dragonman]

A sign of change in Russian media coverage of the Ukrainian special military operation?

While it has not yet been reported in the Taiwanese press, it has been reported in the "South China Morning Post" (published in Hong Kong under the new laws on press freedom there) under the headline "Ukraine war ‘will get worse for us’, that retired Russian colonel Mikhail Khodarenok participated in the "60 Minutes" program Russian state TV and made some interesting comments, e.g., "Don’t swallow ‘informational tranquilisers’, military analyst Mikhail Khodaryonok warns viewers, in a rare criticism of Putin’s invasion. “The main thing in our business is have a sense of military-political realism: if you go beyond that then the reality of history will hit you so hard that you will not know what hit you,” he said" (https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russ...etired-russian).

Earlier, retired former PRC Ambassador to Ukraine Gao Yusheng made similar comments during an internal webinar hosted by the government-affiliated China International Finance 30 Forum and the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. Phoenix News Media, a partially state-owned television network, published an edited transcript of his remark “with revisions from the ambassador himself.” This was removed very quickly from the Internet, however.

Gao's words reflect the Ukrainian perspective, and Khodarenok's a Russian perspective broadcast live on one of twice-daily flagship talk shows on Russian state TV in a studio discussion that promotes the Kremlin line on absolutely everything. Khodarenok had previously made his views known, writing in Russia's Independent Military Review in February (before Moscow attacked Ukraine), criticising "enthusiastic hawks and hasty cuckoos" for claiming that Russia would easily win a war against Ukraine. His conclusion back then: "An armed conflict with Ukraine is not in Russia's national interests." So the channel and the host, Olga Skabeyeva, must have known what he was going to say.

It seems that "The other guests in the studio were silent," and that "Even the host, Olga Skabeyeva, normally fierce and vocal in her defense of the Kremlin, appeared oddly subdued."

Other reports include:
CNN Report: Former Russian colonel criticizes the country's invasion of Ukraine on state television (https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-...4c715250c7dd00).
BBC Report: Retired colonel speaks out on Russian TV (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61484222).
NY Times Report: On a Russian talk show, a retired colonel stuns his colleagues by pointing out that the invasion isn’t going well. (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/w...-invasion.html). This report said "A military analyst on one of Russian state television’s most popular networks left his fellow panelists in stunned silence on Monday when he said that the conflict in Ukraine was deteriorating for Russia, giving the kind of honest assessment that is virtually banished from the official airwaves."

The BBC report concludes: "So what happened on 60 Minutes? Was this a spontaneous, unprompted and unexpected wake-up call on Ukraine that slipped through the net? Or was it a pre-planned burst of reality in order to prepare the Russian public for negative news on the progress of the "special military operation"? It's difficult to say. But as they say on the telly, stay tuned to Russian TV for further signals."

[Dodger]

A sign of change in Russian media coverage of the Ukrainian special military operation?

While it has not yet been reported in the Taiwanese press, it has been reported in the "South China Morning Post" (published in Hong Kong under the new laws on press freedom there) under the headline "Ukraine war ‘will get worse for us’, that retired Russian colonel Mikhail Khodarenok participated in the "60 Minutes" program Russian state TV and made some interesting comments, e.g., "Don’t swallow ‘informational tranquilisers’, military analyst Mikhail Khodaryonok warns viewers, in a rare criticism of Putin’s invasion. “The main thing in our business is have a sense of military-political realism: if you go beyond that then the reality of history will hit you so hard that you will not know what hit you,” he said" (https://www.scmp.com/news/world/russ...etired-russian).

Earlier, retired former PRC Ambassador to Ukraine Gao Yusheng made similar comments during an internal webinar hosted by the government-affiliated China International Finance 30 Forum and the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. Phoenix News Media, a partially state-owned television network, published an edited transcript of his remark “with revisions from the ambassador himself.” This was removed very quickly from the Internet, however.

Gao's words reflect the Ukrainian perspective, and Khodarenok's a Russian perspective broadcast live on one of twice-daily flagship talk shows on Russian state TV in a studio discussion that promotes the Kremlin line on absolutely everything. Khodarenok had previously made his views known, writing in Russia's Independent Military Review in February (before Moscow attacked Ukraine), criticising "enthusiastic hawks and hasty cuckoos" for claiming that Russia would easily win a war against Ukraine. His conclusion back then: "An armed conflict with Ukraine is not in Russia's national interests." So the channel and the host, Olga Skabeyeva, must have known what he was going to say.

It seems that "The other guests in the studio were silent," and that "Even the host, Olga Skabeyeva, normally fierce and vocal in her defense of the Kremlin, appeared oddly subdued."

Other reports include:
CNN Report: Former Russian colonel criticizes the country's invasion of Ukraine on state television (https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-...4c715250c7dd00).
BBC Report: Retired colonel speaks out on Russian TV (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61484222).
NY Times Report: On a Russian talk show, a retired colonel stuns his colleagues by pointing out that the invasion isn’t going well. (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/17/w...-invasion.html). This report said "A military analyst on one of Russian state television’s most popular networks left his fellow panelists in stunned silence on Monday when he said that the conflict in Ukraine was deteriorating for Russia, giving the kind of honest assessment that is virtually banished from the official airwaves."

The BBC report concludes: "So what happened on 60 Minutes? Was this a spontaneous, unprompted and unexpected wake-up call on Ukraine that slipped through the net? Or was it a pre-planned burst of reality in order to prepare the Russian public for negative news on the progress of the "special military operation"? It's difficult to say. But as they say on the telly, stay tuned to Russian TV for further signals."

I’ve spotted the same news releases which seem to be flooding the airways right now.

First it was former Russian colonel who made very frank and critical comments regarding the war effort on Russian TV, followed by a regular commentator in Russian media, who also commented on Russia's broader isolation. He stated …"Let's look at this situation as a whole from our overall strategic position," he said. "Let’s not swing missiles in Finland's direction – this just looks ridiculous. The biggest problem with our military and political situation is that we are in total geopolitical isolation. And the whole world is against us — even if we don’t want to admit it."

I wonder if this is the beginning of the “movement” so many have been hoping for?

Moses is certainly in a better position to tell us if this type of “open” reporting is something new – or if comments critical of Russia’s war efforts like this have been communicated in Russian media in the past.

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-...4c715250c7dd00