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    Quote Originally Posted by cdnmatt View Post

    What I do know is Russia started this war.
    June 2, 2014. Ukrainian military aircraft bombing center of Lugansk.

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    I'm a bit tired of all the arm chair warriors......we all have already lost...the waste of life...billions of dollars in destroyed infrastructure...even if Putin pulled back and apologised we still would have lost...just wish the whole thing would go away...

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    Re: The Brink of War?

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    June 2, 2014. Ukrainian military aircraft bombing center of Lugansk.
    Remind me, what happend in February, 2014?

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    In the first half of the last century, following the collapse of various continental European empires, one fanatical politician became obsessed with gathering together all the native speakers of his language together in one state under his rule, and with annexing all neighboring territories where the inhabitants were speakers of his language. If that meant violating international law and international treaty obligations, that didn't matter.

    At that time, that slogan was "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer! [One People, One Realm, One Leader!]." The annexations went by the term "“Anschluss” (a word that means “connection” or “joining”).

    That person was a Nazi, but I think the analogy is obvious. The idea now resonates with politicians of other political persuasions, including General Secretary Xi and Lord Voldemort.

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    In the first half of the last century, following the collapse of various continental European empires, one fanatical politician became obsessed with gathering together all the native speakers of his language together in one state under his rule, and with annexing all neighboring territories where the inhabitants were speakers of his language. If that meant violating international law and international treaty obligations, that didn't matter.

    At that time, that slogan was "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer! [One People, One Realm, One Leader!]." The annexations went by the term "“Anschluss” (a word that means “connection” or “joining”).

    That person was a Nazi, but I think the analogy is obvious. The idea now resonates with politicians of other political persuasions, including General Secretary Xi and Lord Voldemort.
    Yeah, I know. And Chiang Wei-kuo served in the Wehrmacht. 4th Secretary-General of the National Security Council of the Republic of China (Taiwan).

    In 1993, Chiang Wei-kuo was employed as a senior advisor to President Lee Teng-hui.

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    He looks like a ladyboy.

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    Re: The Brink of War?

    Does anyone know, did Edward Snowden get called up to serve mother Russia? He was recently granted Russian citizenship, and he is of military age, so.... not sure what happened to him.

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    Chiang Wei-kuo was an obedient adopted son and was sent to study and serve in the Wehrmacht by his father Chiang Kai-Shek - he did not volunteer and obeyed as Confucian filial piety demanded then (and is still very strong now in Taiwan). Following his recall to China, he visited the United States as a distinguished guest of the US Army on behalf of his father and the Kuomintang. While in the United States, he gave lectures detailing on German army organizations and tactics. At the same time, his brother Chiang Ching-kuo (having previously been a student studying in Moscow) was being held as a virtual political hostage in the Soviet Union by Joseph Stalin. CKS was playing both sides against the middle.

    On the other hand, and courtesy of Wikipedia, and following "Operation Barbarossa. "The two main forms of mass collaboration in the Nazi-occupied territories were both military in nature. It is estimated that anywhere between 600,000 and 1,400,000 Soviets (Russians and non-Russians) joined the Wehrmacht forces as Hiwis (or Hilfswillige) in the initial stages of Barbarossa, including 275,000 to 350,000 “Muslim and Caucasian” volunteers and conscripts, ahead of the subsequent implementation of the more oppressive administrative methods by the SS. As much as 20% of the German manpower in Soviet Russia was composed of former Soviet citizens, about half of which were ethnic Russians. The Ukrainian collaborationist forces comprised an estimated 180,000 volunteers serving with units scattered all over Europe. The second type of mass collaboration were the indigenous security formations (majority ethnic Russian) running into hundreds of thousands and possibly more than 1 million (250,000 volunteers in the East Legions alone). Military collaboration – wrote Alex Alexiev – took place in truly unprecedented numbers suggesting that, more often than not, the Germans were perceived at first as the lesser of two evils by Soviet non-Russians. emphasis added"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdnmatt View Post
    Does anyone know, did Edward Snowden get called up to serve mother Russia? He was recently granted Russian citizenship, and he is of military age, so.... not sure what happened to him.
    He cannot be mobilized: he has no service in Russian army in his past.
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    On the other hand, and courtesy of Wikipedia, and following "Operation Barbarossa. "The two main forms of mass collaboration in the Nazi-occupied territories were both military in nature. It is estimated that anywhere between 600,000 and 1,400,000 Soviets (Russians and non-Russians) joined the Wehrmacht forces as Hiwis (or Hilfswillige) in the initial stages of Barbarossa, including 275,000 to 350,000 “Muslim and Caucasian” volunteers and conscripts, ahead of the subsequent implementation of the more oppressive administrative methods by the SS. As much as 20% of the German manpower in Soviet Russia was composed of former Soviet citizens, about half of which were ethnic Russians. The Ukrainian collaborationist forces comprised an estimated 180,000 volunteers serving with units scattered all over Europe. The second type of mass collaboration were the indigenous security formations (majority ethnic Russian) running into hundreds of thousands and possibly more than 1 million (250,000 volunteers in the East Legions alone). Military collaboration – wrote Alex Alexiev – took place in truly unprecedented numbers suggesting that, more often than not, the Germans were perceived at first as the lesser of two evils by Soviet non-Russians. emphasis added"
    And how many of them were Russian Secretary-General of the National Security Council or President's senior adviser just 30 years ago????
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