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    Possibly more fake news, but now they're saying Russian troops are "Collapsing" as a result of this recent Ukrainian offensive.

    The news is reporting that MANY towns and strongholds in the northeast which were previously help by Russian troops are now back n Ukrainian hands and Russian troops are retreating in mass.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-a...225932445.html

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    Possibly more fake news, but now they're saying Russian troops are "Collapsing" as a result of this recent Ukrainian offensive.

    The news is reporting that MANY towns and strongholds in the northeast which were previously help by Russian troops are now back n Ukrainian hands and Russian troops are retreating in mass.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-a...225932445.html
    Did they said what after yesterday cruise missiles strikes all railroads has been stopped without electricity and now Ukrainian army sitting in "MANY towns and strongholds in the northeast" without supplies, ammo and calling for help?
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    Did they said what after yesterday cruise missiles strikes all railroads has been stopped without electricity and now Ukrainian army sitting in "MANY towns and strongholds in the northeast" without supplies, ammo and calling for help?
    Some have, but with somewhat different versions of events, e.g.: "Late Sunday, in a strike that Ukrainian officials condemned as a fit of pique over its losses, Moscow attacked infrastructure facilities in Kharkiv, leaving many civilians without power and water. President Volodymyr Zelensky said there was a “total blackout” in the regions of Kharkiv and Donetsk. No military facilities,” he wrote on Twitter. “The goal is to deprive people of light and heat. Russia’s retreat in the northeast is the biggest embarrassment for President Vladimir V. Putin’s larger and better equipped forces since their attempt to seize Kyiv, the Ukrainian capital, was repelled at the start of the invasion. (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/11/w...n-retreat.html).

    Some have commented on the issue of ammunition for both sides, with one asking, "Who will win the ammunition war in Ukraine? Russia is buying shells from North Korea; the U.S. is burning through its stockpile of weapons. In a war of attrition, victory could come down to supplies," but concluding that "Russia’s stockpiles of weapons: smaller and dumber." (https://www.grid.news/story/global/2...le-of-weapons/).

    What news sources are reporting "after cruise missiles struck railroads," however, is events like this: "Joy in northeast Ukraine as residents return after Russian retreat. Ukrainian forces swept deeper into territory seized from fleeing Russian troops on Monday and joyful residents returned to former frontline villages, while Moscow's shells rained down on Kharkiv, setting off fires across the region's main city. (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ve-2022-09-11/)

    And like this: "The swift fall of Izium in Kharkiv province was Russia’s worst military defeat since its troops were forced back from the Ukrainian capital Kyiv in March. As Russian forces abandoned town after town on Saturday, Putin was opening Europe’s largest ferris wheel in a Moscow park, while fireworks lit up the sky over Red Square to celebrate the city’s founding in 1147. And "Ramzan Kadyrov, a Putin ally whose troops have been at the forefront of the campaign in Ukraine, dismissed the loss of Izium, a critical supply hub. But he conceded the campaign was not going to plan. “If today or tomorrow changes are not made in the conduct of the special military operation, I will be forced to go to the country’s leadership to explain to them the situation on the ground,” said Kadyrov. Moscow’s almost total silence on the defeat - or any explanation for what had taken place in northeastern Ukraine - provoked significant anger among some pro-war commentators and Russian nationalists on social media." (https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...12-p5bh90.html). Kadyrov, however, will have his own problems with Ukrainian authorities as he is officially wanted by them for crimes under the Ukrainian Criminal Code - "Chechen leader Kadyrov now officially suspect in Ukraine" (https://news.yahoo.com/chechen-leade...121035881.html, August 26).

    And they have reported items like this: "Russian troops were forced to flee the strategic city of Izium -- their main bastion in northeastern Ukraine -- on Saturday after a swift Ukrainian counteroffensive. It was Moscow's worst defeat since its retreat from Kyiv in March -- and a sign that the war might be entering a new phase. Over the past week, Ukrainian forces have recaptured more than 3,000 square kilometers of territory -- more than Russian forces have captured in all their operations since April (https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/12/c...hnk/index.html).

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    ====President Volodymyr Zelensky said there was a “total blackout” in the regions of Kharkiv and Donetsk. No military facilities,” he wrote on Twitter===

    No, he named 5 regions, not 2. And correct: strikes were by infrastructure - there were strikes by power plants. Now whole 5 regions have problems with electricity and railroads are stopped. TV, mobile networks, internet, other communications are shouted down. TEС-5 (Russian: ТЭЦ-5) hugest power plant (near Kharkiv) in Ukraine has been totally destroyed by 2 missiles "Kalibr" (watch video)



    ==========3,000 square kilometers of territory -- more than Russian forces have captured in all their operations since April============

    Russia controls about 60000 sq.km (about 85 000 with Crimea), Front line is about 1500 km, if not count border Ukraine-Belorussia. That means they advanced in average 2 km...

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    [QUOTE=Moses;292110]====President Volodymyr Zelensky said there was a “total blackout” in the regions of Kharkiv and Donetsk. No military facilities,” he wrote on Twitter===

    No, he named 5 regions, not 2. And correct: strikes were by infrastructure - there were strikes by power plants. Now whole 5 regions have problems with electricity and railroads are stopped. TV, mobile networks, internet, other communications are shouted down. TEС-5 (Russian: ТЭЦ-5) hugest power plant (near Kharkiv) in Ukraine has been totally destroyed by 2 missiles "Kalibr" (watch video)

    ==========3,000 square kilometers of territory -- more than Russian forces have captured in all their operations since April============

    Russia controls about 60000 sq.km (about 85 000 with Crimea), Front line is about 1500 km, if not count border Ukraine-Belorussia. That means they advanced in average 2 km...

    In the report I referenced, he named two regions as being totally without power. Other reports name five regions, but note that same are partially - not totally - without power; e.g., "On the evening of September 11, five regions of Ukraine were fully or partially without electricity. Kyrylo Tymoshenko, deputy head of the office of the president, said the lights are out in Kharkiv, Sumy, Poltava, Dnipropetrovsk, and Donetsk regions (https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/09...-no-you-no-you).

    I do not dispute your figures that "Russia controls about 60000 sq.km (about 85 000 with Crimea), Front line is about 1500 km, if not count border Ukraine-Belorussia. That means they advanced in average 2 km." But, if you have read carefully what I quoted, it referenced a comparison only with the Russian occupation of a land area since April of this year.

    You commented that "That means they advanced in average 2 km." If the Ukrainians had been fighting along the entire length of the frontier, that you be an appropriate conclusion. But they are not - they are attacking only in specific areas where, apparently, they have advanced sufficiently far as to reach the Russian (not Belarussian) border - "Ukraine Soldiers Reach Russian Border After Driving Enemy Back, Video Shows" (https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-rus...nflict-1741910), and "Ukrainian forces have penetrated Russian lines to a depth of up to 70 kilometers in some places and captured over 3,000 square kilometers of territory in the past five days since September 6 – more territory than Russian forces have captured in all their operations since April" (https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...nflict-updates, September 10th).

    As your videos are in Russian, I cannot comment on them.

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    Did they said what after yesterday cruise missiles strikes all railroads has been stopped without electricity and now Ukrainian army sitting in "MANY towns and strongholds in the northeast" without supplies, ammo and calling for help?
    Yes, and to make matters worse the Russian soldiers who are fleeing from these areas are apparently stealing bicycles from the local villagers to make their escapes. What a mess!

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    Yes, and to make matters worse the Russian soldiers who are fleeing from these areas are apparently stealing bicycles from the local villagers to make their escapes. What a mess!
    yes-yes, also they steal rollerboards, scooters and wheelchair

    meanwhile Ukrainians on taken territories arresting all teacher who had teaching in Russian language... punishment 7 - 15 years in prison for "collaborationism"
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    yes-yes, also they steal rollerboards, scooters and wheelchair

    meanwhile Ukrainians on taken territories arresting all teacher who had teaching in Russian language... punishment 7 - 15 years in prison for "collaborationism"
    I apologize in advance for the long quotations that follow. They are given in full to show that I am not cherry-picking selected information to prove a point.

    Other news reports present this action differently, most noting that they are not Ukrainian teachers of Russian but Russian teachers who moved to Ukraine after the territories were occupied. For example: "Ukrainian authorities have detained an unspecified number of Russian teachers who moved to Ukrainian towns and cities after Russia took control of them after launching its invasion in late February.
    Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said on September 12 that the teachers, who moved to Ukraine to teach a Russian curriculum at local Ukrainian schools "committed a crime."
    "Of course, a court will decide on their punishment, but on the territory of our country there is still a big number of Russian citizens who came to temporarily occupied territories and they will surely face justice unless they leave our territory immediately," Vereshchuk said .
    Vereshchuk added that the detained Russian teachers will not be included in prisoner-exchange lists as they are not combatants.
    Ukrainian media reports said on September 10 that an unspecified number of Russian teachers were left behind as Russian troops and Russia-appointed officials fled several towns and villages in the Kharkiv region as Ukrainian armed forces recaptured territory during a lightning counteroffensive.
    Ukrainian lawmaker Oleksiy Honcharenko said earlier that the Russian teachers were detained in the town of Kupyansk in the Kharkiv region.
    On September 13, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov denied that there were Russian teachers in Ukraine's Kharkiv region.
    Russian Education Minister Sergei Kravtsov added that all Ukrainian teachers who collaborated with Russian-appointed authorities and chose to move to Russia from the region, had been given assistance to do so." https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-deta.../32031705.html. However, as you noted in an earlier post in this thread, Radio Free Europe is funded by the US (specifically The United States Agency for Global Media, formerly the Broadcasting Board of Governors, an independent agency of the United States government that broadcasts news and information), so it is probably an untrustworthy source.

    And: "Russian teachers detained by Ukrainian military in liberated territories. They face up to 12 years in prison.Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said that schoolteachers were detained in settlements liberated from the Russian army. They had arrived in the occupied territories to work in local schools according to Russian educational programs. Vereshchuk is quoted by Strana as saying they will be tried under Article 438 of the Ukrainian Criminal Code (violation of laws and customs of war). This article provides for punishment in the form of imprisonment for a term of eight to twelve years.
    “They committed a crime against our state. We have repeatedly warned the Russian citizens who agreed to come to Ukraine and conduct activities prohibited by law. Of course, the measure of punishment for them will be determined by the court, but there is still a certain number of Russian citizens in our country who came to the temporarily occupied territories and who will definitely be punished if they don’t leave our territory without delay”, Vereshchuk said.
    She said the Russian teachers will not be considered as prisoners suitable for exchange.
    “No one will consider them as prisoners of war because they are not combatants, the Geneva Conventions do not provide for the exchange of persons who are not prisoners of war,” Vereshchuk said.
    In July, it was reported that teachers were being recruited in Russian regions, especially in those with low salaries, to teach Ukrainian children “correct” history and, according to Russian Education Minister Sergei Kravtsov, correct geography and social studies. Teachers were offered salaries of approximately 190,000 rubles ($3130)." https://theins.ru/en/news/254970. (This source states "The Insider is a Russia-focused, independent media outlet. We're fully committed to investigative journalism and to debunking fake news. We're proud of our growing recognition, having received, among many others, The Council of Europe's Innovation Award, The European Press Prize and the Free Media Award).

    "Collaborationism" is mentioned only in reference to Ukrainian teachers who agreed to teach the Russian curriculum, but there is not (at least as I read the reports) any mentioned that they have been arrested. Such teachers were warned as long ago as last April that this would happen, as this report from Pravda stated: "Ukrainian schoolchildren and teachers deported to Russia by Russian troops forced to adopt Russian curriculum. SUNDAY, 17 APRIL 2022, 16:33. 2352. Mykhailo Zahorodniy – Sunday, 17 April 2022." It concluded with the following words" Serhiy Horbachov, ombudsman for education, said that teaching in accordance with the Russian educational programs was an example of collaborationism, and that school teachers who will teach the Russian programs will be held accountable." https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/04/17/7340259/.

    So, it seems that not all teachers who were teaching the Russian language are being arrested, but only Russian illegal immigrant teachers lured by promises of higher wages. Ukrainian teachers - at least so far - are not being arrested.

    Given earlier reports of looting by Russian soldiers (e.g., https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ssian-soldiers), I would not be surprised if they did indeed "also steal rollerboards, scooters and wheelchair."

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    ===So, it seems that not all teachers who were teaching the Russian language are being arrested, but only Russian illegal immigrant teachers lured by promises of higher wages. Ukrainian teachers - at least so far - are not being arrested.====

    sure-sure... Ukrainians always says truth )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))

    Russian language is forbidden on territories populated majority of Russians, tens political parties are forbidden, tens radio and TV station are closed and that is not about time after Feb 24, but about time before Feb 24. Any word about political situation not in favor of current govt will lead to immediately arrest, but you may continue to trust them...

    Ukrainian oligarchs celebrating every donation from West, in Kiev are working night clubs and casinos - try in Google "night club Kiev" or "casino" Kiev and watch on map labels "opened", "opened"...

    But you may continue to pay 2-7 times more for electricity and heating "for to stay for Ukraine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    ===So, it seems that not all teachers who were teaching the Russian language are being arrested, but only Russian illegal immigrant teachers lured by promises of higher wages. Ukrainian teachers - at least so far - are not being arrested.====

    sure-sure... Ukrainians always says truth )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))

    Russian language is forbidden on territories populated majority of Russians, tens political parties are forbidden, tens radio and TV station are closed and that is not about time after Feb 24, but about time before Feb 24. Any word about political situation not in favor of current govt will lead to immediately arrest, but you may continue to trust them...

    Ukrainian oligarchs celebrating every donation from West, in Kiev are working night clubs and casinos - try in Google "night club Kiev" or "casino" Kiev and watch on map labels "opened", "opened"...

    But you may continue to pay 2-7 times more for electricity and heating "for to stay for Ukraine"

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    "Ukrainians always says truth.” Of course, just as official Russian spokespersons do.

    Just as Sergei Lavrov spoke the truth when he stated on June 6, 2022 in a press conference that “Ukraine adopted “laws banning the Russian language.” In truth, “Russian has not been banned in Ukraine, despite repeated claims,” see https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...espite-repeat/. Moreover, since at least, 2018, “Russia is cracking down on minority languages – but a resistance movement is growing” (https://theconversation.com/russia-i...growing-101493, September 11, 2018 and https://www.idelreal.org/a/28937644.html). These reports note that Russia itself has abolished the compulsory teaching of minority languages at schools in its own “ethnic republics” – part of a much larger project to remake the way Russia works, and to turn away from the relatively stable multiculturalism that Russia has maintained for decades.

    According to Wikipedia, only 18 political parties are banned in Ukraine, not the “tens” you claim. Eleven are suspended for links with Russia (https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...inks-to-russia). Since March of this year, all national TV channels have been combined into one (“Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has signed a decree that combines all national TV channels into one platform, citing the importance of a "unified information policy" under martial law, his office said in a statement on Sunday” (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ls-2022-03-20/). In the same month, “Russia orders shut down of country’s only independent TV channel and a liberal radio station” (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2026139.html)

    With regard to Ukrainian authorities cracking down on dissent, perhaps they learned this from Russia? For example. “Russia's crackdown on civil society has extended to antiwar protesters, independent news media and human rights organizations, silencing dissent and sources of information amid the war in Ukraine. Under Russia's foreign agents law, nongovernmental organizations receiving funding from another country experience increased scrutiny and risk of liquidation. We speak with Anna Dobrovolskaya, executive director of the Memorial Human Rights Center, one of Russia's oldest human rights organizations, which monitors human rights violations and provides legal assistance to asylum seekers. Russian courts ordered it dissolved in December 2021. "It's the approach of the Russian government to widely and silently put some limitations on people who are just willing to speak openly," says Dobrovolskaya. "The government is just trying to close everything down." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrvAkNRYjFs).

    I do not grasp the relevance of your complaint that Kyiv nightclubs are operating, however, when there are lists of the best nightclubs still operating in Moscow (https://www.nightflow.com/best-nightclubs-in-moscow/) and St. Petersburg (https://www.nightflow.com/best-night...st-petersburg/), according to September 2022 updates. Presumably Russian oligarchs (at least those who have not died in suspicious circumstances since February 2022 - https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/12/...rchs-and-putin - or fled to other countries - https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnhya...h=1db61a0758ce ) are frequenting them. I understand nightclubs continued operating in London, for example, during World War II as well.

    Your comment “But you may continue to pay 2-7 times more for electricity and heating "for to stay for Ukraine," at least for Taiwan is incorrect. That’s because the Electricity Price Review Committee announced at the beginning of July that power rates would increase by an average of 8.4% starting in August. Most households and small businesses have not been affected by the adjustment, as it was mostly aimed at large enterprises. Unlike the situation in other countries, Taiwan’s government still controls the price of energy, including electricity and gas - because the national electric utility, Taipower, and the largest gas company are state-owned.

    Moreover, household electricity price rises in Europe range from the sharpest increase being in Estonia at 50.2 %, and biggest decrease in being in Slovakia at negative 5.8 % in the second half of 2022 (September 2, 2022, https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis...ice_statistics). These are not "2-7 times more," surely.

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