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Thread: Covid cases, vaccination rates, masks and Omicron, particularly in the UK

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    Re: Light at the end of the tunnel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Old git View Post
    Although not yet conceded by the UK government, the complete failure of the vaccines to stem the tide of Omicron is evident to all..
    For clarity - no one, ever, said that being vaccinated would stop you getting Omicron, vaccination was merely to reduce the effects and that as well as Omicron being less aggressive seems to have worked, hence why 90% of the patients in ICU wards in the UK and UN vaccinated.

    Can we imagine just for a second what NHS numbers would have looked like if Omicron HAD of been as or more aggressive than the Delta variant, the NHS would have been overrun for sure ! So, thank goodness for vaccines I say ( and Omicrom not being as aggressive as it appears we dodged a bullet there ( well so far anyway until the next time perhaps :-(.

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    Covid cases, vaccination rates, masks and Omicron, particularly in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Nirish guy View Post
    For clarity - no one, ever, said that being vaccinated would stop you getting Omicron, vaccination was merely to reduce the effects and that as well as Omicron being less aggressive seems to have worked, hence why 90% of the patients in ICU wards in the UK and UN vaccinated.
    Well … I think that’s a sense that has emerged. Say the word “vaccination” and most people think “inoculation” which does mean prevention. However (as Wikipedia points out) although people use vaccination and inoculation as if they are interchangeable, they are two different things. Medical experts believing that everyone is as educated in the different terminologies as they are have used “vaccination” in its precise and technical meaning while lay people (almost all of us) thought they meant inoculation. It’s the old “assume = make an ass of you and me” problem

    The various COVID vaccines are just that - vaccines - not inoculations

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    Re: Light at the end of the tunnel?

    The vaccines reduce the incidence rate for severe COVID.

    The UK has one of the highest vaccination rates and once almost everyone has been vaccinated, the rate of vaccination will slow down, because there is hardly anyone else left to do.
    Also, the Westminster government is in the process of demonstrating how to deal with COVID in 2022. Almost no restrictions and rely on vaccines to keep the hospitalisation rate down. Numbers with COVID are already falling, so the policy is working..

    The Thai government is still stuck with a mindset suitable for COVID in 2020. I guess they will catch up eventually.

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    Re: Light at the end of the tunnel?

    Exactly! Vaccination allows keeping hospitals open and operational. Although sheer numbers of omicron infections is stretching capacities in some areas to their limits.

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    Re: Light at the end of the tunnel?

    The 90% unvaccinated in ICU statement has been widely bandied about, but the BMJ's fact check piece shows it to be untrue:

    https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5

    What doctors do say, but for some reason it gets little publicity, is that the great majority of those getting bad outcomes with Covid now are seriously obese.

    I don't deny that the vaccination campaigns have had some moderating influence on health outcomes, but I do think they were grossly oversold.

    The fundamental truth was that we wouldn't get over this episode until the great majority had caught the bug - something that Omicron is now wrapping up

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    Re: Light at the end of the tunnel?

    Evidently Boris Johnson knew the course this pandemic was taking which explains the garden party he hosted at number 10 Downing Street last month.

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    Re: Light at the end of the tunnel?

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    Evidently Boris Johnson knew the course this pandemic was taking which explains the garden party he hosted at number 10 Downing Street last month.
    Get the facts straight. A garden party last month would have been in December. In the UK ?

    I think the actual party was May 2020. About the same time many people were having socially distanced street parties to celebrate VE day.

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    Re: Light at the end of the tunnel?

    Quote Originally Posted by goji View Post
    Get the facts straight. A garden party last month would have been in December. In the UK ?

    I think the actual party was May 2020.
    The challenge would be finding a month in which Number Ten wasn't hosting a party!

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    Re: Light at the end of the tunnel?

    Quote Originally Posted by Old git View Post
    The 90% unvaccinated in ICU statement has been widely bandied about, but the BMJ's fact check piece shows it to be untrue:

    https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5
    Even the 61% of Covid Cases in ICU confirmed in this link as being unvaccinated in September is a statistically significant proportion showing the benefits of vaccination given that the unvaccinated only make up 22% of the population.

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    Re: Light at the end of the tunnel?

    Quote Originally Posted by goji View Post
    The vaccines reduce the incidence rate for severe COVID.

    The UK has one of the highest vaccination rates and once almost everyone has been vaccinated, the rate of vaccination will slow down, because there is hardly anyone else left to do.
    The UK had one of the highest vaccine rates in the early days. The effectiveness of the UK vaccine drive waned, undermined by the feckless government. The UK are now just average in proportion of population vaccinated.

    https://www.sortiraparis.com/news/co...ountry/lang/en

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-tracker.html

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