"We don't know if we will survive" say Thai Sex Workers in Chonburi

[arsenal]

The farang will not be dancing on the stage, it's bad form and any naked boys there wouldn't like it.

[goji]

Exactly! The article is from 14 Aug 2021, whoever is still in Pattaya hoping for situation to improve soon is a slow learner.

"We don't know if we will survive" is a bit dramatic. It's not a question of life or death, rather: No more party every night, no new mobile phone every year (or even more frequently). Go home and sit it out, or rather look for other sources of income.

1 Some of the hookers in Pattaya were doing OK during the lock down last January. The ones that actually look after their customers tend to get the business that they deserve. Of course, there might just be a bit more fear around now & fewer active customers, due to higher incidence rates of covid. However, vaccination will fix that.

2 The most important sentiment here is that feeling sorry for yourself doesn't help. Developing some stoicism and constantly optimizing lifestyle for changed circumstances is a better way to behave. Any hooker in Pattaya who isn't getting customers either needs to up their service levels so they get repeat business or quit the profession and go and do something else for a living.

3 I'm sure it's more difficult than normal in Thailand now. But it's still way better than living in Kabul, Pyong Yang or even Yangon.

[a447]

Many of the workers come from poor areas of Thailand with an upbringing and family life completely alien to our own.

It's difficult to find jobs in a time when jobs are actually disappearing very quickly and there is a severe economic downturn. Also, a lot of young people involved in the sex industry lack a decent education to help them find a job.

Many young people have no experience in handling money as they never had any. Suddenly they found themselves with lots and so like many people their age, they went out and partied. Also they did not have anyone at home who had experience in handling money and who could give them some advice.

I think we need to see their situation through their eyes and not through our privileged lifestyle.

[bkkguy]

How would you like to see a promotion like this:
"The Thailand Cream Box"

while this may be the fantasy of many a poster here, and ignoring the dozen or so of them for the moment, what percentage of the Thai population, and indeed the potential future tourist market, do you seriously think would be in the "everyone" group you see as being happy with the country deciding to commit itself to being just a third world sex tourist destination again?

[francois]

Oh how wise you were, Christian! Well done!

But you seem to forget that you clearly had quite a bit of money in your pockets and in your bank account for I am certain you are not working to make money stuck in Cambodia. With many millions out of work and others restricted to minimal part time work in Thailand, your advice to sex workers is more than naive. How do you suggest a sex worker finds "another source of income"? Growing vegetables for people who cannot pay for them? Then what happens when their money runs out, if it has not already done so? Don't you have any clue about what is going on in Thailand?

Wise words,Armando; agree completely with what you posted.

[Manforallseasons]

Some insight into Christian’s thinking:



Re: Cambodia during the pandemic
Quote Originally Posted by christianpfc View Post
I tested positive last year without symptoms. As I see it, Covid is a hyped annual flue. No danger for the majority of the population, only for some at-risk groups.

Comment from Mfas:
Hmmm, so how many people do you think you’ve infected with the virus and just think how many they have infected! But if I read you right you think no big deal.

[christianpfc]

But you seem to forget that you clearly had quite a bit of money in your pockets and in your bank account...

How do you suggest a sex worker finds "another source of income"? Growing vegetables for people who cannot pay for them? Then what happens when their money runs out, if it has not already done so? Don't you have any clue about what is going on in Thailand?

You are right that I live a comfortable life due to my parents' money.

Thailand is largely an agrarian economy. I guess every boy has a family back in the provinces who farm land. In fact, one of my favorites sent pictures of him farming rice, and a boy I met in Phnom Penh but who is now home in Battambang sent pictures of him harvesting corn/maize. Both of them would rather be in Pattaya or Phnom Penh, but they would not be able to sustain that lifestyle (no job, no income to pay for rent and food). Home in the province, there is no rent to pay and they can get part of their food from farming.

I'm not in Thailand, so I don't have first-hand impressions. But I stay in contact with Thai friends (the one who constantly whines about money problems did so already before Covid). And I see what's going on in Cambodia, and everyone is doing fine, according to the circumstances.

Many young people have no experience in handling money as they never had any. Suddenly they found themselves with lots and so like many people their age, they went out and partied. Also they did not have anyone at home who had experience in handling money and who could give them some advice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_An...he_Grasshopper

The fable concerns a grasshopper (in the original, a cicada) that has spent the summer singing while the ant (or ants in some versions) worked to store up food for winter. When that season arrives, the grasshopper finds itself dying of hunger and begs the ant for food. However, the ant rebukes its idleness and tells it to dance the winter away now.

In my early years I gave unsolicited financial advice to boys, in vain. I have helped many a boy with money and advice; but if you don't take my advice, I won't give you money either.

[goji]

Thailand is largely an agrarian economy. I guess every boy has a family back in the provinces who farm land. In fact, one of my favorites sent pictures of him farming rice, and a boy I met in Phnom Penh but who is now home in Battambang sent pictures of him harvesting corn/maize. Both of them would rather in Pattaya or Phnom Penh, but they would not be able to sustain that lifestyle (no job, no income to pay for rent and food).

Based on what I see in the UK, coming from an agricultural background isn't necessarily a barrier to achievement.

1 Farmers who know how to farm can make make good money. Those who don't know how to farm struggle, but why should incompetence be rewarded ?
2 I've seen offspring of farmers go to University and set up technology businesses, ending up with net worth of several millions.

To what extent Thailand offers opportunity like this is another question. However, in a pandemic, going back home to the farm is a nice safe base, with food and a home. Also, even in Cambodia, I see rice harvesting with machines now, so it's not quite the same backbreaking job as it once was.

[francois]

If Arsenel's bar is going to be in Sunee, he's going to need wheelchair ramps attached to the stage if farang dancing is allowed.

Are you being facetious or do you have something against a disabled person using a wheelchair?

[francois]

Based on what I see in the UK, coming from an agricultural background isn't necessarily a barrier to achievement.

1 Farmers who know how to farm can make make good money. Those who don't know how to farm struggle, but why should incompetence be rewarded ?
2 I've seen offspring of farmers go to University and set up technology businesses, ending up with net worth of several millions.

To what extent Thailand offers opportunity like this is another question. However, in a pandemic, going back home to the farm is a nice safe base, with food and a home. Also, even in Cambodia, I see rice harvesting with machines now, so it's not quite the same backbreaking job as it once was.

Do you really believe that farmers and others in Thailand/Cambodia/Laos have it so good? I know a person in Laos who has only a mother who can barely exist and his salary is 3000/month; another one in Laos, whose father is incapacitated (no mom) and needs money from his son who now has no job; and one in Thailand who is living with his boyfriend and whose father just died. Not a rosy picture to say the least.