Socialism

[Armando]

I forgot Cambodia under the Red Khmer. The closest mankind ever got to genuine socialism.

You surely forget China under the early years of Mao. The phrase "socialism kills" can surely never have been so apt. Pol Pot's madness killing 1.5 million or more of his own people, and Mao's madness killing around 30 million. But then it's a bit tricky to call those regimes socialist. They were revolutionary dictators putting utterly mad theories into practice.

[Moggy]

I think people on this forum are confusing Socialism with Communism.

[StevieWonders]

I think people on this forum are confusing Socialism with Communism.

More to the point they’re taking someone’s assertion that they are a socialist to be accurate rather than self-serving. Priests who sexually abuse altar boys proclaim themselves to be practising Christians.

[cdnmatt]

I think people on this forum are confusing Socialism with Communism.

Or just straight up fascist authortarians. All these mentions about Pol Pot, Hitler, and Moa but not a peep about places like Sweden, Netherlands or even Canada for that matter.

What are some of these folks going to think when UBI becomes the new norm? I wouldn't be surprised at all if Canada ends up with a UBI sometime within the next 5 - 10 years.


Here, he explains socialism way better than I ever could hope to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hactcmhVS1w

[arsenal]

"You surely forget China under the early years of Mao. The phrase "socialism kills" can surely never have been so apt. Pol Pot's madness killing 1.5 million or more of his own people, and Mao's madness killing around 30 million."

Jung Chiang suggests that the actual number of dead under Mao was 70 million. 10 years research and almost certainly with the tacit support of the Chinese govt so it's probably close to the truth. But hey, great outfits and everyone got a bicycle.

[wingnut]

All socialism kills, and absolute socialism kills absolutely.

[goji]

I think people on this forum are confusing Socialism with Communism.

1 The basic principles and the results are the same. Always failure.

2 No matter how it was badged, Eastern Europe has Socialism. It failed. Even in the DDR.

[christianpfc]

You surely forget China under the early years of Mao. ...

I forgot. But my point was that the Red Khmer got closest, abolishing money and private property, than anyone else.

In socialism, all are equal ... ly poor.
Better in German, where adjective and adverb have the same form: Im Sozialismus sind alle gleich ... arm.

Look at Cuba, they have free healthcare [read this somewhere on the internet, citation needed], subsidized everything, but still half of the population would swim across to Florida if there were no US coast guard.

And another one:
Wenn alles allen gehört, hat keiner was.
My translation: if everything belongs to everyone, nothing belongs to anyone.
Or better: André Gide Quote: “When everything belongs to everyone, nobody will take care of anything.”
Or: When everything belongs to everyone, nobody will take care of anything.

[latintopxxx]

having as a tween experienced communism/socialism. ....I much rather prefer capitalism...,even if its the unbridled sort...

[goji]

having as a tween experienced communism/socialism. ....I much rather prefer capitalism...,even if its the unbridled sort...

Yes.
Oddly, we don't get "socialists" trying to flee from South Korea to the DPRK, from West Germany to the DDR or even from the US to Cuba.
There has been much traffic in the opposite direction.

I would even contribute to the re-settlement of people like Jeremy Corbyn to Venezuela, DPRK or Cuba. After all, if he wants to live in a socialist state, why not send him to one, rather than have him b*gger up another country ?