Available boys in Pattaya..

[vnman]

I find it slightly sad that some gay men still feel sufficiently victimised by their sexuality to want to hire and use overtly straight boys, presumably gaining some sense of revenge by buggering them - sure in the knowledge that the boy is not enjoying the experience, but suffering it for the money.

Straight, gay or anything in bewteen. If I get the feeling that they dislike what they are doing, it's pretty much over for me. That makes Thai prostitutes so special. They can give you "the boyfriend" experience. You just have to make sure you don't buy into the illusion.

[arsenal]

Some straight boys refuse to smoke. I have said to them that if they won't smoke me then I won't off them. Many (most eventually) then agree. My experience is that having agreed to do it they do so to the best of their ability.

And if you provide a pleasant experience of them spending time with you then within the context of a straight boy having sex with a man there's no reason they won't get some pleasure out of the encounter.

A builder probably doesn't want to spend all day outside in the rain laying bricks but if the house owner gives him a cup of tea and says the job was great then he's going to feel happy.

[a447]

Mfas wrote:

would you have enjoyed sex with your grandfather?

Old git wrote:

I also get a great sense of satisfaction if I can make a boy much younger than myself rise to the occasion and shoot his load.

I see things from an entirely different perspective.

If I were a young sexy guy, the last person I would want to have sex with is the person I see in the mirror every morning. But when they are in bed with me they don't "see" me.

Although the guys are physically having sex with me, in their mind they are fantasising about having sex with a hot young guy - or girl, in most cases. That's why they can go through with it, starting with getting it up and finishing with a cumshot. And that's why they can gain pleasure - both during the act and cumming at the end.

The one exception is my regular Bangkok guy. He simply enjoys sex and I don't think it matters to him who his partner is. A session with him goes on forever - or at least until I have to tell him I've had enough. And what does he do? He doesn't quickly pull out and think "Thank God that's over!" He begs for more!

"Just five more minutes, ok? Please!"

And when the time is up, he begs for even more time.

He also enjoys trying out all kinds of weird sex positions; hardly something you'd do if you just wanted to get the whole affair over and done with as quickly as possible.

So in rare cases, some guys actually do enjoy their job.

My Pattaya friend is not as enthusiastic but nevertheless, he's a fantastic top and really enjoys the chuck-wowed at the end.

Old git wrote:

I find it slightly sad that some gay men still feel sufficiently victimised by their sexuality to want to hire and use overtly straight boys, presumably gaining some sense of revenge by buggering them.

Well, I am attracted to the same sex so I want my partners to look like the same sex; i.e. masculine. If I wanted someone who looked feminine I'd go a girlie bar. I certainly do not have any desire for some kind of "revenge." Heaven forbid! I'm not quite sure what you are getting at.

to reveal the bisexuality that most men have to some extent

Sorry, but I have to disagree. I do not believe for a second that "most" men are bisexual. Certainly amongst my many straight friends the idea of having sex with another male is anathema. Although they totally accept what I do they have never been able to understand how I would even touch another guy's cock, let alone put it in my mouth. It still fascinates them today.

Horses for courses.

[Old git]

"I do not believe for a second that "most" men are bisexual"

My reason for believing that most men are bisexual to a degree, but not necessarily to the extent of having physical contact or anything they would admit to; stems from the most popular genre choices when it comes to porn. Whilst there is a strong demand for solo female or lesbian material, demand for heterosexual sex scenes is much greater. Not only that, but the studios that closely monitor reaction to their catalogue find that the more dick there is in a video the more views it gets. OK, some gays watch hetero porn as do an increasing number of women, but it's still mainly a 'straight' man's thing - straight men who get off looking at other guy's dicks - even though it may be subconscious. The presence of women in a scene is necessary to distract them from the reality that they are actually getting off looking at men.

[latintopxxx]

...i went to a boys only school....had varying degrees of sex with evryone in my class....as we got older like 16...and access to alcohol it became a lot easier...I've done both male and female and weird stuff in between....finslly figured out that masculine bottom males was my thing...straight(ish) guys will do gay4pay...or for drugs....so guess its all depends on circumstances...bit like jail sex

[Dodger]

"I do not believe for a second that "most" men are bisexual".

I don't either. I believe all men (and women) are "Allsexual".

I have never agreed with the classifications, e.g., gay, str8, bi, trans, etc., rather see human sexuality as being just as unique as the leaves on a tree - where no two are identical and they can (and do) change with each passing wind.

When I first informed my family that I had a male partner in Thailand, their immidiate assumption was that I was "gay". When asked about this directly, I explained that "I am who I am". My preference for having sexual relations with females when I was younger didn't make me str8, nor did it render me as a person in denial either, it was simply my desire (who I was) at the time.

I have always naturally gravited towards "the middle". The girls I dated when I was young always leaned towards Tomboy - with small breasts, boyish looks, and wore little or no makeup. The guys I prefer (sexually) now have the same physical characteristics/personas, and I have no attraction whatsoever to the masculine types with muscles, hairy chests, and mustaches.

Since being in Thailand, 98% of my sexual interactions have been with 100% gay pretty-boys, although I've also had interactions with a few girls and even a Tom once, which felt perfectly natural to me. I have absolutely no resevations about being this way...understand fully why others are different...and never classify anyone else - regardless of how they classify themselves - because I know this can all change. It's all up to the way the wind is blowing...life experiences...environmental determinisms...and the shifting of all those microorganisms in our internal universes (genetics) which is well beyond my comprehension.

IMHO - Labels are for stationary (static) objects, not human beings, who are dynamic and constantly change - as all things do in nature.

[latintopxxx]

dodger...wonder how long did u date females...lots of gay/bisex guys will date girls when young in an effort to conform....some even marry...as a young giy I went through a crazy stage where i did everything in sight...but quickly settled on my prefernce

[Newbie99]

Now the question is how to find available guys in Pattaya….

[Dodger]

......dodger...wonder how long did u date females...

I dated girls during most of my youth...married once (to a female)...was sexually attracted to guys very early on (age 12)...sex with the type of girls described in my post kept me partially satisfied...constant sexual fantasies involving guys...fantasies became reality in Thailand...never looked back.

My transition over time (remember I'm only a leaf):

Str8 sex - females only
Bi sex - females and males
Gay sex - Dominant (dedicated top)
Gay sex - Submissive (bottom)
I am who I am: (unclassified) - Uninhibited & Versatile depending on which way the wind is blowing.

Some people seem to struggle with the "Sexual Classifications" of Thai boys (working or non-working), which, to me, seems like a fruitless effort. I've enjoyed great sex with boys who considered themselves to be str8, leaving me wondering just what part of the "transition" this leaf is in. When we met in the bar he said "no boom-boom, me man", but after a few interactions together he volunterrily spreads his legs and smiles the same way the gay boys do when being mounted. Is he str8?

Conversely, I've seen boys who classified themselves as "str8 or Bi" leave the working circuit after sleeping with men for years, only to marry a Thai girl and start raising a family. There's that wind blowing again.

Regarding the availability of Thai Boys:

The Boys who are available in Thailand now are no different than the Boys who were available before this pandemic hit. They are biding their time the same way we are, but they're still here. A dedicated top gay boy, who, after life goes on, gravitates naturally to the "bottom role" as his feminie genes start looking for attention. Or the dedicated str8 boy who lays in bed at night wondering what it would be like to touch another guys cock - or have his cock sucked by a man. Or the boy who has no idea what his sexual identity is yet, who comes to a place like Pattaya and experiences the very same thing that we all did - and gravitates to his own place. His own desires at that place and time in his life. All these leafs, with no two the same.

[Oliver2]

I followed a similar path to that of Dodger.

Classical Athens got it right, in many, though not all aspects of sex. The concept of sexuality didn't exist; only sex.

When I was sixteen, a well-used and tatty copy of Mary Renault's "The Last of the Wine" was passed around my class at an all boys' school. The story of a loving relationship between an Athenian citizen in his twenties and a boy on the cusp of manhood seemed to interest more of us than should be expected when our salacious conversation concerned only girls in a nearby school.