Taiwan Trip Report

[Armando]

In contrast, I didn't enjoy much my visit to Soi13in (I'll talk more about it in the last post of this trip report). I visited the sauna on the Gay Pride day, but I found the guys to be so shy and slow. A big difference on how they behave on online apps. I think this is because they want "to save face"; they are afraid of being perceived as sluts. Taiwanese care a lot about what other people think of it.

I have not been to Soi13in. When I was at the Gay Pride Parade I mentioned earlier, my Macao friend had arranged to have dinner with his Macanese friends that evening. So I went out to the hot spring up the hill from the Shipai MRT station, the one that was then gay friendly (it changed its policy about 4 years ago when the owner felt it was becoming too gay!) I had been a few times in previous years. On this occasion, I bought my ticket. i was then surprised to find a queue outside. So many visitors for the Parade had had the same idea. It took about 20 minutes actually to get inside. The shoe lockers are at the entrance. From there it is only a matter of a few meters before you get to the lockers. But that took another 20 minutes. Once the main hot spring came into view, I was gobsmacked. I could not see the water! The pool was packed chock full of mostly gay and mostly young guys. There were even guys happily lounging in the altogether on the sides. It may have taken far longer than I expected to get inside, but once there it was almost a vision of heaven!

On another occasion, I was in that same pool when there were not nearly as many bathers. I noticed a rather small but aggressively cute Chinese enter the changing area. He was clearly at something of a loss as to how the lockers worked, so I quickly got out of the pool, smiled and helped him. Turned out he was Canadian Chinese and it was his first visit to Taipei. Once he had undressed, he displayed a much larger than average cock. So I led him through to the pool. As i did so, every pair of eyes in the hot spring was locked on to us (well, to him). Sadly I was not his type, but he certainly was a vision to behold!

[Armando]

Taiwan is the place that I got the most messages online. Actually, too many messages that I couldn't keep up with them and the guys were very pushy. In contrast, I didn't enjoy much my visit to Soi13in (I'll talk more about it in the last post of this trip report). I visited the sauna on the Gay Pride day, but I found the guys to be so shy and slow. A big difference on how they behave on online apps. I think this is because they want "to save face"; they are afraid of being perceived as sluts. Taiwanese care a lot about what other people think of it.

I think it is much less an issue of face as it is of genuine shyness with a foreigner. I guess about half the boys I met had never been with a foreigner before and so were not sure how to behave and how to approach the sex part. I find it is useful to have a chat first so that I find out a bit more about them. Even though their English may be limited, there is usually enough to tell me that. I then take the initiative - but quite slowly. I always suggest a nice long shower together first with me giving him a gentle soap massage is a good way to get him in the mood!

[christianpfc]

I find your experience very interesting. Taiwan is the place that I got the most messages online. Actually, too many messages that I couldn't keep up with them and the guys were very pushy. In contrast, I didn't enjoy much my visit to Soi13in (I'll talk more about it in the last post of this trip report). I visited the sauna on the Gay Pride day, but I found the guys to be so shy and slow. A big difference on how they behave on online apps. I think this is because they want "to save face"; they are afraid of being perceived as sluts. Taiwanese care a lot about what other people think of it.

My experiences were exactly the opposite. On short (one week) trips to Taiwan I was amazed at Soi13in, finally a sauna that is clean by my standards, has boys who are my type, and group activities in the dark rooms (still enough light to see what/whom you are doing) where everyone can at least have a grope.

Contrast to Thailand gay saunas: mostly in need of cleaning/maintenance, rarely a cute boy to be seen, general attitude "don't touch me!", pitch-black dark rooms (where you wouldn't recognize your father).

Those overwhelmingly positive experiences at Soi13in were a significant contribution to my decision to spend 3 months in Taipei in 2018 to study Chinese as main occupation (with a bit of travelling and gay stuff on the side). But then came the disappointment: activities in sauna didn't mean any of them was interested in me (in online dating), it was just culturally different from Thailand (you wouldn't have such group activities where everyone can have a grope and more in Thailand).

After going to Babylon Sauna for Songkran 2013, I now avoid gay venues (actually all places of entertainment) on holidays. Too crowded (shapely boys are scarce, you mostly rub your body against old, fat, sweaty bodies), waiting time, and most importantly, most people seem to be there for general entertainment, not sex; whereas I go for sex.

Anyway, when I go to a gay venue I'm looking for an experience that I can repeat every day, or at least every week, not just once per year.

[pasiontop]

Friday 26
The tour finished in Taipei around 5-6 pm. For the weekend I had booked an AirBnB rather than a hotel. I had already arranged to meet another guy, Guy F. He was only 22. He had told me that he didn't want sex. We went for dinner. Then he asked if he could go to my hotel room to take a shower. Story short, in a very cute way he ended up convincing me of eating his ass. That was the first time I ate a guy's ass and I was surprised at how good his ass tasted. I tried to put my dick in his ass, and he said "please, keep using the tongue, I'm too tight". I went back and forth between my tongue and trying to get my dick in him until it finally got in. Then, every 2-3 min he would say "Please, stop, I only do this with my bf" and get my dick out. At first, I found it cute, but soon it became annoying. When I was about to cum I told him "I want to cum inside you", he replied "do you love me?", I said "what? do you know what that means?". He then moved sideways and my dick got out; I ended up cumming outside. I guess I should have said that I loved him.

After he left, I was still horny, so I opened Grindr. I found that a lot of guys were into "hi fun". It took me a while to realize that "hi" meant Tina. I blocked all of them. I ended up meeting another, Guy G. At the time I didn't know, but he turned to be a porn actor. I'm surprised that he uses condoms in those videos, if before meeting up he was very persistent on bareback and I shouldn't pull out.

Saturday 27
I had agreed to meet up with another guy at 8 am, but when I woke up I had a message where he told me he couldn't meet up. I opened Grindr and I ended up fucking for the whole morning. Given that this day was the gay Parade, Grindr was full of horny guys. I met 4 different guys, including a gay instafamous (should I share his IG?).

In the afternoon I went to the gay parade with Guy B and other guys I had talked online, but didn't want to fuck. In the evening, I told them I was going back to my hotel; Guy B wanted to go to my hotel with me, I told them that I was too tired and wanted to rest. Actually, I wanted to go to a gay sauna. I was between Aniki Club and Soi13, but after some research, I learned that Soi13 is more popular with local guys and Aniki is more popular with foreigners.

When I arrived at So13in, I was told that I couldn't use my sleepers, I had to walk barefoot. That's something I don't get, but I had to oblige. There were many guys, but not too crowded. All guys had very visible condoms in their hands and most were covering their dicks with a hand towel. I was one of the few walking completely naked. As I mentioned in another post, many guys stared at me, but they didn't anything. The first guy I ended up going to a private booth, ended being a Taiwanese that lived in NY, so he was very assertive. He told me that I needed to be pushier and "almost raped the Taiwanese guys". I had fun with other 2 guys, both had condoms, but none asked to use them. I stayed around 2 hours and left quite disappointed given that I was expecting to fucking dozens of guys.

Sunday 28
Guy B went to my hotel in the morning and we had fun for hours. He did the same as last time that after I creampied him, he sucked me very delicately until I came again in his mouth. By far, Guy B was my favorite guy of all guys I met during this trip. He was a true submissive bttm, so eager to please.

This day was my flight back home. I checked out of the hotel and Guy B took me to the airport. At the airport, he told me that he loved me and if I wanted to be his bf. That was quite uncomfortable. I had to explain how a long-distance relationship wouldn't work, but that I'd be happy to meet again.

Final thought.
In retrospect, of all gay trips I had done, this is still the one I had the most fun. Guys are very friendly and welcoming, they like showing you around and explaining their culture. There are so many bottoms. And I was surprised to see so many bubble butts. I thought Asians would be flatter hehe.

But there are some cultural differences. I wonder if Taiwanese don't know what "I love you" means because. In addition, sometimes they aren't straightforward at all and we have to guess what they mean/want.

[Armando]

But there are some cultural differences. I wonder if Taiwanese don't know what "I love you" means because. In addition, sometimes they aren't straightforward at all and we have to guess what they mean/want.

Yes, there are cultural differences but I find it does not take long to discover them and find a way to cope with them. The same is true in Japan and probably quite a number of other countries. They are not straightforward, perhaps because of the 'face' issue and an inbred concern that their approach might be rejected.

As for the "I love you" business, I am sure a lot of readers have had the same in Thailand. It does not mean "love" in the western sense. I always consider it to mean I like you very much and would like to get to know you better. This is especially true of younger Taiwanese. As mentioned earlier, the general lack of available foreigners results in a lot of guys very keen to establish some kind of relationship with one they find and have a good time with.

My record with the apps was 5 years ago - 4 guys one day. I had set up two appointments for early afternoon and early evening. Then one boy clicked and said he was working very near my location. Could he come over for a short time at 11:00. Well, what could I say? Turned out he was great and we did meet a few times on future visits. By late afternoon housekeeping must have been wondering why I was requesting so many extra towels!! The late evening encounter was, like the morning's, completely unexpected. I had noticed this very cute guy the day before and started chatting. Then there was silence. But in the early evening the following day he got in touch again asking if he could come over after work. Although I was exhausted by then, I thought: why not? He was truly beautiful, very much boyfriend material if I had been considering living there, but the sex was not great. Perhaps it was fatigue on my part.

Since then, on my visits I have never enjoyed more than two boys in one day. Usually it is just one so that if we really get on, I like to take him for dinner and just get to know him better. Rather than meeting a raft of new boys on each visit, I do find I prefer to hook up again with guys I have enjoyed.

I agree entirely with @passiontop. The bubble butts are a joy to behold and there are considerably more bottoms on the apps.

[Armando]

Since @passiontop has not posted any Pride Parade photos, here are a few from previous years (apologies if these have been posted on any other thread here) -

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[maump]

The men are beautiful. a wonder to behold. I love porn out of Taiwan. Would a 65 yro not terribly fat have a chance with in Taiwan with the men?

[aussie]

The men are beautiful. a wonder to behold. I love porn out of Taiwan. Would a 65 yro not terribly fat have a chance with in Taiwan with the men?

I have been to Taiwan many times and on my first trip i was 55 yo. There were many very good looking guys wanting to meet from the apps like Hornet and Grindr. My type is a slim twink and there was no shortage of them and no money was involved. By staying a month and travelling around Taiwan it was possible to make many new friends, gay and str8 who i will go back to visit again soon. It was not only the sex but the lifelong friends that i made in Taiwan that make it so special for me.

I am now 65yo and i did notice as i got older that i was not meeting as many guys on my trips. I believe that you should be able to meet some nice guys from the apps and make some new friends. I often saw older foreigners above 65yo with Taiwanese guys out on dates. I suggest that you include some sightseeing on your trip to Taiwan if you go as it is much more than just a destination for sex.

[infoarmor]

My experiences were exactly the opposite. On short (one week) trips to Taiwan I was amazed at Soi13in, finally a sauna that is clean by my standards, has boys who are my type, and group activities in the dark rooms (still enough light to see what/whom you are doing) where everyone can at least have a grope.

Contrast to Thailand gay saunas: mostly in need of cleaning/maintenance, rarely a cute boy to be seen, general attitude "don't touch me!", pitch-black dark rooms (where you wouldn't recognize your father).

Those overwhelmingly positive experiences at Soi13in were a significant contribution to my decision to spend 3 months in Taipei in 2018 to study Chinese as main occupation (with a bit of travelling and gay stuff on the side). But then came the disappointment: activities in sauna didn't mean any of them was interested in me (in online dating), it was just culturally different from Thailand (you wouldn't have such group activities where everyone can have a grope and more in Thailand).
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I've been to Taiwan many times. The first time was in 2012 and I was in my early 20s. There weren't that many people on apps but I would still have a high success rate. I definitely loved the sauna scene in Taipei. Had lots of fun at Rainbow sauna and got amazed by how good and modern though a bit pricey Aniki was. The crowd was really hot and guys were not shy to invite you over for a threesome or group action.
Since then have I have returned to Taiwan quite a few times.

Taipei pride is definitely my favorite event in Asia as it attracts so many twinks, not just from Taiwan but from all over Asia.
I don't know if it's the age difference, but I have had a different experience in Soi 13 from that of Christian and pasiontop. Let just say that even on a normal weekend, Soi 13 is to me the best sauna in the world. Great and clean facilities with a lot of cabins available( remember reading somewhere that it used to be a karaoke bar before it), the crowd is around 70% smooth slim/muscular twinks and the icing on the cake: you have to go around naked, so there is so much eye candy.

However during pride it just gets to another level, the closest thing to heaven I've experienced. There is a non-stop influx of young smooth bodies and butts that it gets almost overwhelming. So much fondling, body touch, kissing, etc. Didn't find the guys to be that shy, only few if you wanted to talk to them because their English skills might not be the best, but it was never a problem when you showed your intent for them to join you in a cabin.
I usually go around 5:30PM and stay till 11:00PM. Get completely drained (in many senses) but it's such a great time. I think one night I even had like 6 guys in Soi 13 (though only 3 happy endings). Would exchange line ids and meet some of them for lunch or coffee the next day. as I said, it's not just Taiwanese. Last pride I was there in 2019 I met: 1 Viet, 1 Thai, 2 Japanese, 1 Filipino, 1 Singaporean and 1 HK in there.

I would say though I noticed what Christian described during the Songran foam parties at Babylon. Lots of guys but not many wanted to have action and when you found, most of the cabins were occupied. Had much better experience at R3's foam party but that's probably something to write about in another post.

Taiwan will remove their travel restrictions on October 13. I'm really tempted to go there for pride week (October 22-29) as the flights from/to LA are still reasonable (though almost double what they were before Covid). However their rules are still kinda blurry, you don't have to quarantine but you need to do a self-test on the first and second day and also if you want to go around so might end up skipping it.

Will definitely return by early next year. If anyone else visits Taiwan, please post your travel report in here.

[Dragonman]

Taiwan will remove their travel restrictions on October 13. I'm really tempted to go there for pride week (October 22-29) as the flights from/to LA are still reasonable (though almost double what they were before Covid). However their rules are still kinda blurry, you don't have to quarantine but you need to do a self-test on the first and second day and also if you want to go around so might end up skipping it.

Will definitely return by early next year. If anyone else visits Taiwan, please post your travel report in here.

The latest rules are for a 0+7 system in place, i.e., "Quarantine duration: the day of arrival counts as Day 0. A seven-day period of self-initiated prevention will be required." and there will be a cap of 150,000 incoming arrivals weekly - on a trial basis.

You can read the official statement in English at https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/D...Wvg?typeid=158.

Self-initiated prevention has been stated to be: "An arrival can undergo self-initiated epidemic prevention at his or her home or a residence of his friend or family that meets the one person per room rule. This rule means a room used to undergo self-initiated epidemic prevention, in principle, should have a bathroom. An arrival cannot stay at a general hotel."

As of today (Wednesday October 5), the Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC) confirmed 54,874 local COVID cases, 55 imported cases, and 48 deaths.