23 died in Norway after vaccination by Pfizer

[StevieWonders]

In what will be disappointing news for some, health authorities in Norway have sought to allay safety concerns raised by the death of some elderly patients after they were vaccinated against Covid-19, saying there’s no evidence of a direct link.

In Norway, 33 people aged 75 and over died following immunization, according to the agency’s latest figures. All were already seriously ill, it said. The Scandinavian country has already inoculated almost all of its nursing home population, with more than 48,000 people vaccinated as of Monday afternoon.

The reported fatalities are well under 1 out of 1,000 nursing-home patients to be vaccinated, he said. The side effects of immunization can, in some cases, “tip the patients into a more serious course of the underlying disease,” Madsen said. “We can’t rule that out.”

“It is important to remember that about 45 people die every day in nursing homes in Norway, so it is not a given that this represents any excess mortality or that there is a causal connection,” Camilla Stoltenberg, head of the Norwegian Institute of Public Health, said at a press conference on Monday.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hs-and-vaccine

[Brad the Impala]

It is news from Jan 14 and published to late to be reprinted. Wait for today, but I doubt you will find it in global news - they are happy to publish news about "COVID crisis" in China with 30 new sick persons and shut their mouth about 1500+ daily died in UK or 4000+ in USA.

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I don’t know what you are reading but the daily death toll in UK and US is headlines every day in most news sources. Far from “shut their mouth”. You seem to be on a bit of an anti western crusade!

[dinagam]

So far Corona kills around 1 of 110 in Norway, Pfizer 1 of 1000.

I hope those who died from taking Pfizer did not suffer from a massive erection. That would be an embarrassing rigor mortis.

[goji]

Norway has 23 deaths out of 25,000

Then, who are they vaccinating ? If it is over 80s, I guess the annual death rate would be over 10%, so 2500 per year. That's 48 per week.

Even if my assumptions are a little out, we can dial them back a long way before 23 deaths looks seriously abnormal.

It's always important to consider the "base rate". In this case, what range of death rates can be expected without the vaccine ?

[cdnmatt]

Ok, they're all 75+ years old, and all have existing "serious basic disorders", so...

29 dead out of 42,000 = 0.0694% fatality rate, and that's if 75% years old with serious pre-existing condition.

That sounds a little more realistic than, "OMG, Pfizer vaccine is killing 1 out of every 1000 Norwegians" as Moses purported.

[Moses]

Ok, they're all 75+ years old, and all have existing "serious basic disorders", so...

29 dead out of 42,000 = 0.0694% fatality rate, and that's if 75% years old with serious pre-existing condition.

That sounds a little more realistic than, "OMG, Pfizer vaccine is killing 1 out of every 1000 Norwegians" as Moses purported.

It is even less than 1 of 1000, because at day of original publication Norway had 25000 vaccinated, not 42000. So 29 out of 25000 = 1 of 862

About "more realistic rate 0.0694%": by fact it is 0.069%. If you will immunize US with such fatality rate, you will kill 226,485 if US has the same ratio of people over 75 in population.

[cdnmatt]

If you will immunize US with such fatality rate, you will kill 226,485

You're either being intentionally malicious, or you're not very good at math.

Besides, you think the Pfizer vaccine contains dead monkeys, so whatever...

[goji]

If you will immunize US with such fatality rate, you will kill 226,485 if US has the same ratio of people over 75 in population.

Kill is the wrong word here.
The first thing we need to do is work out how many of the Norwegian sample would have died anyway, vaccine or no vaccine. If we take 25,000 people over 80, quite a few of them can be expected to die each day even in normal circumstances.

So are there excess deaths after the vaccine ?

If do, then calculate their risk of death over the next 12 months, including the effect of covid. At this point, I imagine the vaccine would be beneficial for almost all, except the very frail.

[Moses]

Kill is the wrong word here.
The first thing we need to do is work out how many of the Norwegian sample would have died anyway, vaccine or no vaccine. If we take 25,000 people over 80, quite a few of them can be expected to die each day even in normal circumstances.

There are clearly stated in news: 23 died and 13 "events" for sure are linked to vaccination, rest are under investigation.

[StevieWonders]

Kill is the wrong word here.
The first thing we need to do is work out how many of the Norwegian sample would have died anyway, vaccine or no vaccine. If we take 25,000 people over 80, quite a few of them can be expected to die each day even in normal circumstances.

When examining anything at all where both X and Y are present, the first thing to remember is that co-incidence does not equal causation.