For those interested in Putin

[Moses]

I always liked this one about Putin. Straight, to the point, accurate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxMWSmKieuc

Check picture on 1:15. Left - Alexander Lebedev, KGB officer and Russian oligarch, now citizen of UK, his son Eugeniy just became baron and lord in UK by decree of Liz II

[cdnmatt]

Check picture on 1:15. Left - Alexander Lebedev, KGB officer and Russian oligarch, now citizen of UK, his son Eugeniy just became baron and lord in UK by decree of Liz II

Cool. That's why I like this video.

There's the view point of folks in the West, whic is, "Putin is a horrible monster and is the devil's borther!"

Then on the opposing side there's folks like you, "Putin is the best leader in the world ever!"

In reality, the truth is somewhere in the middle. That's why I like that video. Seems pretty unbiased, and simply lays out the facts regarding Putin's rise to power.

[Moses]

About some facts from this film on Youtube.

Chechnia. Diversions weren't faked. Rebels were destroyed. These who weren't killed fled to Europe. Now France, Germany and Austria begs Russian to take them back (for example check last visit of French foreign af. minister to Moscow)к

Now Chechnia looks like this:

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It is reason why every election Putin has there over 90% votes.


2008 Georgia, Medvedev was president at that time in Russia. About intervention to Georgia - 100% propaganda. Parliament of EU send commission to Georgia in 2008 after this short military clash. Conclusion: it was Georgia who started clash, Russian answer was overreacted.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140905...ch/Report.html

[cdnmatt]

Or maybe there's another reason or two Putin gets over 90% every election.

Kinda helps when your political opponents always seem to either end up dead or in jail.

[Moses]

Then on the opposing side there's folks like you, "Putin is the best leader in the world ever!"

No, he isn't best. But if you need compare, then best compare is Putin - Lee Kuan Yew. Dictator from Singapore and dictator from Russia. Here is not too much democracy, but economic raised almost 5 times in 20 years, personal income raised over 10 times. That why Putin still has support - refrigerators votes for him at each Russian kitchen.

[Moses]

Or maybe there's another reason or two Putin gets over 90% every election.

Kinda helps when your political opponents always seem to either end up dead or in jail.

Oh, do you know who is leader in Chechnia now? Ramazan Kadyrov. Son of one of strongest Putin's opponents Akhmat Kadyrov and also his formerly opponent.

[goji]

No, he isn't best. But if you need compare, then best compare is Putin - Lee Kuan Yew. Dictator from Singapore and dictator from Russia. Here is not too much democracy, but economic raised almost 5 times in 20 years, personal income raised over 10 times. That why Putin still has support - refrigerators votes for him at each Russian kitchen.

I'm sure you are correct regarding the increase in incomes in Russia. However, Russia was starting from a very low level, with the combination of a well educated population and plenty of oil and gas to help things along. So any competent leader should have seen exceptional growth.

However, I'm not at all sure about the comparison with Lee Kuan Yew.
For a start, Lee Kuan Yew set up Singapore with among the lowest corruption levels in Asia, whereas Mr Putin does not have much success with that topic.
Secondly, although the PAP wins every election, they seem to do it because they have done an exceptional job, rather than by arranging nasty "accidents" every time a creditable opposition leader emerges. Singapore seems to be much closer to a proper democracy. Besides, if we had an option like the PAP in the UK, I would vote for them every time.

[Moses]

I'm sure you are correct regarding the increase in incomes in Russia. However, Russia was starting from a very low level, with the combination of a well educated population and plenty of oil and gas to help things along. So any competent leader should have seen exceptional growth.

Oh, it is one of typical propaganda. Low level start will not help to change country from world #1 importer of grain to world #1 grain exporter, you know? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._wheat_exports

"Any competent leader" will meet with biggest territory almost without any infrastructure. Can you imagine:
at 2000 there were no one road in Russia to connect west and east? No one. Now exists 2.
There were only 3 TV channels what cover whole country, now over 60 nationalwide and most of them are private.
70% of country had no phone line coverage. Now per law fiber optic with phone and internet must be in each place with population over 500 people at any place in Russia. They spend over $100 mln for to lay underwater cable 2000 km long for to reach Kamchatka region (300k population, territory half of million sq.km).
Median salary was about $30 now about $500
29% lived below poverty line, now 12%
4 cars per 1000 population changed to 390

at the same time army 2+ mln changed to 900k, mandatory army service 2 years changed to 1 year of training and trainee can't be involved to any military conflicts by law, army has 60% of professionals who is serving by contract
jobless fell form 15% to 5%

Russia is now in World TOP-5 countries with highest net migration to country (it was in TOP-3, but after Syrian crisis start Germany took row from Russia. Now: US 50.6 mln, Germany 13.1 mln, Saudi 13.1 mln, Russia 11.6 mln. UK 9.6 mln
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ant_population

[StevieWonders]

No, he isn't best. But if you need compare, then best compare is Putin - Lee Kuan Yew. Dictator from Singapore and dictator from Russia. Here is not too much democracy, but economic raised almost 5 times in 20 years, personal income raised over 10 times. That why Putin still has support - refrigerators votes for him at each Russian kitchen.

I’m not sure why you focus on a tin-pot city state like Singapore when Thailand is the country proudly following most closely in Russia’s footsteps with all the recent political “disappearances” and murders.

[Moses]

I’m not sure why you focus on a tin-pot city state like Singapore when Thailand is the country proudly following most closely in Russia’s footsteps with all the recent political “disappearances” and murders.

Well, take South Korea then. Dictatorship Park Chung-hee, chaeboles and corruption. And rising from agricultural country to country with high level of life.

By the way: Russia eliminated Russian tsar 103 years ago. UK and many European countries still have this rudiment and every one citizen still pays for ruler's pleasure to live in palace and use servants... you call it democracy, right? people who were elected by whole nation must bow in front of people who was elected by nobody and is even younger...

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