Are we near to having a vaccine and returning to Thailand?

[Old git]

I would agree that the observation is not on its own proof positive, but it chimes with the broader narrative that this is going to be a far easier bug to live with than the doomsters suggest, and that vaccination is not the route to getting over it.

Will Oct 23rd go down as world 'peak Covid' day? - I predicted on the 21st that we'd reach the maximum infection rate within a month. We might yet get another spike - we'll see..

[Brad the Impala]

I would agree that the observation is not on its own proof positive, but it chimes with the broader narrative that this is going to be a far easier bug to live with than the doomsters suggest, and that vaccination is not the route to getting over it.

Not on it's own proof positive!!! You betcha! In fact the points that Armando made completely undermined your whole assumption, but we look forward to the evidence that you referenced.

Will Oct 23rd go down as world 'peak Covid' day? - I predicted on the 21st that we'd reach the maximum infection rate within a month. We might yet get another spike - we'll see..

I hope that you are right but are you standing by your prediction or saying that there will be another spike?! I think it's called hedging your bets. Of course people have been forecasting the imminent peak of the infection since March. I look forward to someone being right eventually.



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[Nirish guy]

I think the news on muliple platforms today that Immunity to Covid may in fact not last as long as they might have hoped ( i.e a few months just perhaps) is maybe more worrying.

That of course then means that even those who have had Covid before could then catch it again in another few months time again so repeating the whole (re)infection process, so without some form of a vaccine this would suggest that this thing could just keep running on for quite some time to come then ? :-(

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-10-26/...me-study-finds

[goji]

They state that "Covid-19 immunity COULD only last a few months following infection".

The key word here is "COULD", as they only reported antibody results. They haven't reported anything for the rest of the immune system, so the idea that immunity could only last a few months is pure speculation.

This is typical of the trash published by mass media outlets.

If we go searching for more specialist scientific publications, we find that:
(i) Sars-Cov-2 also produces T-cells
(ii) T-cells COULD last many years, as is shown by studies on Sars-Cov-1

Now I'm certainly not claiming to be an expert on these matters, but there's no harm in reading.
This time last year, all I could remember about the immune system from school biology was Antibodies. It doesn't take much reading to find out there's much more to it than that.

I still know almost naff all about T-cells, memory-B cells etc, but it seems they help the body to mount a faster immune response in future. There are papers showing that good T-cell responses are a contributor to asymptotic infection.

Disclaimer: I am not an expert.




https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...76034120305670

[gerefan2]

This is typical of the trash published by mass media outlets.

I say again...
The Media is the Virus.
The Virus is the media.

[arsenal]

There are no experts on this virus.

I heard that herd immunity would head it off but then I heard that herd immunity wouldn't.

[Old git]

"In fact the points that Armando made completely undermined your whole assumption"

If they were facts, they would have done, but he was only reporting a theory that is a very long way from being proven, and stumbles under scrutiny.

"I think the news on multiple platforms today that Immunity to Covid may in fact not last as long as they might have hoped"

This is a monumental misunderstanding by the media - for many bugs, antibodies and immunity run hand in hand..

..but not all.

The body's defences operate on several levels. If our innate immunity is easily over-whelmed by a bug, then antibodies play a vital role, but for many bugs our innate immune system's ability to learn and prepare is the dominant defence.

Covid is a wimp of a bug, it's only real weapon is that of surprise, Once our innate defences recognise it, it gets no further.

The numbers getting Covid twice are negligible, yet antibody retention is proven to show rapid attenuation. It's not hard to work out that antibodies are a red herring in this case..

[StevieWonders]

There are no experts on this virus.

None? None at all? You’re paying attention solely to the popular media (and forum know-alls) and proclaim that in the scientific and medical community whose deliberations the popular media do not report no one has developed any expertise?

[Moses]

I'm increasingly convinced that the route to becoming post-Covid is not vaccination with dead virus, but a very light encounter with the live virus, to sufficiently stimulate our immune responses, but without causing an infection.

It is very old and risky way. Very-very old. 19 century. It is exactly how a lot of American kids were exposed to poly virus at past century when "light encounter... live virus" in poly vaccine was too much "live".

Modern approach is: to take something live and totally harmless (some harmless virus which is living with humans for ages already and proven to be harmless, or virus which is living on some animal and also harmless for humans) and by engineering method to attach to it specific to all COVID-19 mutations small part of COVID virus. This is how Hamaleya made Russian vaccine or Oxford made his vaccine. Method is named vector vaccine.

[StevieWonders]

It is very old and risky way. Very-very old. 19 century. It is exactly how a lot of American kids were exposed to poly virus at past century when "light encounter... live virus" in poly vaccine was too much "live".

It’s also the method Catherine the Great sponsored when introducing the notion of vaccinations against smallpox in Russia in the second half of the 18th Century.