Steviewonders is absolutely right. Not only no access to genuinly beloved Pattaya but going through purgotry at home. Members are using this forum to jemmy open cracks of hope. If that takes the form of virus or vaccine discussion or whatever then let it be.
The constant reference to road traffic accidents is such a ridiculous red herring when it comes to a virus. No doubt many people made a similar comparison when HIV-AIDS first appeared. After all AIDS was first named GRID (Gay Related Immune Disorder), an illness only affecting gay men when the number of deaths was in the 100s. That is what everyone believed. It took more than 18 months for medical experts to detect a case of HIV in an infant and soon after in a female infected by her bisexual partner. Few in those early days had any idea how that virus would progress into general populations around the world.
Less than a year after the appearance of covid19, the world's governments are jumping over each other to spend vast sums in an attempt to guarantee a vaccine will be discovered in a year or so, this for a virus whose death rates are small fraction of total infections. Small but significant. Yet an HIV vaccine is still nowhere in sight even after 4 decades and tens of millions of deaths.
When the SARS virus appeared in 2003, the world went into some form of collective panic. Another vaccine was desperately required, the theory went. Yet less than 800 died and within a year the virus just disappeared.
As Marc K rightly points out, we have not the faintest idea how covid19 will develop and mutate. We have no idea how countries will react in the future, given the disastrous way most have attempted to tackle to the virus since it first appeared. How many more will die? Absolutely nobody knows. When will reliable vaccines appear and be administered to all who wish it? We haven't the faintest idea.
As to returning to "beloved Pattaya:". We also have zero idea if whenever that happens the Pattaya that then exists will be anything like that which existed pre-covid. Since it was already slowly dying, perhaps it will exist only in dreams.
Apart from you I’m not aware of anyone who is equating deaths from a virus with deaths caused by a motor vehicle. Every comment I’ve seen uses the traffic statistics as an attempt to put the number of deaths in perspective - a “get a grip” attempt rather than anything else. As for your ludicrous assertion about a similar comparison being made in the early days of AIDS ...Originally Posted by Armando
goji (October 25th, 2020)
Both China and Russia already have approved and are uaing a vaccine.
Right from the outset multiple strains of Covid were detected, hinting that it might have lurked unseen in an isolated community in China (and just possibly elsewhere) for some time prior to being noticed. The press hooked on to the images of Pangolins in a live animal market, and the conspiracy theorists automatically assumed it must have been a lab leak, intentional or otherwise. Logic, however, points to a more mundane origin.
There is a tiny amount of case history suggesting some people can get successive infections with different strains, but the reported numbers are so small as to be rare exceptions rather than a substantive hazard.
Could a mutation occur that created a new bug, so different from the original that our bodies won't recognise it? Given that we are not seeing parallel epidemics of the different strains, it so far appears that our body's ability to recognise it trumps its ability to assume a new guise. There is also some evidence that populations that had a light brush with SARS are not seeing Covid take hold, suggesting a deep and enduring resistance, borne of a bug that is significantly different.
Overall I'm quite bullish about the outlook. I don't have a huge amount of confidence in the vaccine angle, but I am quietly confident that when antibody rates reach around 25% in a population, the spread of the bug will go into sharp decline.
Agreed.
Anyone who reads some of the research into Sars-cov-2 and similar viruses will have a very reasonable idea how this could develop and mutate. No certainty, but a reasonable idea.
The UK , according to the daily mail, are thinking of starting the vaccine injections early in the new year,,for health workers ,followed by general public
Does anyone actually believe what a rag like the Daily Mail writes?
This seems to have come from a man named Burley who works for a group of hospitals in the English Midlands. But it's not new. He made this comment earlier in the month. This is the more accurate description of the vaccine situation from today's report in another UK paper.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-of-this-yearwell-placed NHS sources said that, while hospitals were preparing plans to help roll out any vaccine that is approved, the timescale Burley set out is premature and overly ambitious.
“There is no progress at all [on when a vaccine will arrive], no date, no national steer [from NHS England bosses] and only frustration,” said a senior official at one of the major NHS trusts that has been handed a key role in the drive to distribute whichever vaccine is the first to be approved.
Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, told MPs and peers that a vaccine would not be available in the UK until the spring.
I find its reporters equally as credible as anything you post here.
The problem is that The Daily Mail is so beholden to far-right members of our benighted government that you always have to be aware of an "angle". Its reporters are embedded in the wider political environment that works for Johnson, as well ministers themselves, and so stories which reflect current controversies are inevitably suspect.
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