COVID-19 Vaccine - best advice

[Armando]

NEWSFLASH
(1) All risk is relative. A friend sent me a link from an Australian newspaper yesterday where the Chief Government Medical Official described the risk as “20 times greater indoors”.
(2) There is no scientific consensus; anyone who reads widely knows that it’s at best probabilities such as “the virus is spread by extended contact in confined spaces”
(3) In many jurisdictions the number of deaths in motor vehicle accidents far exceeds deaths from COVID-19 - and we don’t even know those accurately because people dying with COVID-19 as ONE of their co-morbidities are almost always recorded as dying FROM COVID-19
(4) The media pumps up stories about risks only ever observed in laboratories under controlled conditions (eg. contaminated surfaces) as if they are real-world risks. The necklace-clutchers lap it up

The equating of covid19 to motor vehicle deaths is nonsense, a complete red herring. There is no comparison whatever. Deaths from covid19 is one thing. Being afflicted by the virus is quite another. Increasingly scientists and epidemiologists are warning of longer term and indeed long term effects to lungs and other organs in the body.

As for deaths from other ailments being put down to covid19, let's see your evidence. From what I read, more covid19 deaths are recorded as from other ailments. Quite the opposite.

[StevieWonders]

The equating of covid19 to motor vehicle deaths is nonsense, a complete red herring. There is no comparison whatever. Deaths from covid19 is one thing. Being afflicted by the virus is quite another. Increasingly scientists and epidemiologists are warning of longer term and indeed long term effects to lungs and other organs in the body.

As for deaths from other ailments being put down to covid19, let's see your evidence. From what I read, more covid19 deaths are recorded as from other ailments. Quite the opposite.

Categorising causes of death provides perspective and may act as an antidote to hysteria. There is no judgment about the relativities. As for recorded causes vs. actual causes, do a Google search; you will find it is a lively subject of debate

[cdnmatt]

The equating of covid19 to motor vehicle deaths is nonsense, a complete red herring. There is no comparison whatever. Deaths from covid19 is one thing. Being afflicted by the virus is quite another. Increasingly scientists and epidemiologists are warning of longer term and indeed long term effects to lungs and other organs in the body.

As for deaths from other ailments being put down to covid19, let's see your evidence. From what I read, more covid19 deaths are recorded as from other ailments. Quite the opposite.

It's a bullshit rationale some people who don't want to believe a pandemic is happening use. What they don't seem to realize is pretty much every single death on this planet has more than one cause. When a patient dies, the doctor has to write a cause of death, and it's almost never just one cause. There's almost always several causes of death.

Just because a patient died of a stroke, doesn't mean the doctor isn't also going to list diabetes and hypertension as causes of death, or whatever. That's the rationale some people try to make. Just because the doctor listed "fat fuck who weighed 430lbs" as a cause of death along with KoVid, they believe it shouldn't be counted as a death within the KoVid fatalities.

[StevieWonders]

For a useful summary of what we know or suspect about becoming infected by the coronavirus there’s a good summary on Bloomberg today - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-you-quicktake

As I said recently, it’s a disease mostly spread by extended contact in confined spaces. Interestingly the Apps that purport to track potential contacts all focus on one time period - 15+ minutes. Spending 30 seconds in an elevator or passing someone in a shopping centre just doesn’t cut it. The arguments for masks are strongest in indoor or static environments (such as a football stadium where attendees don’t move around) and much less for outdoor protest marches such as the ludicrous People Of Colour Lives Matter

[cdnmatt]

As I said recently, it’s a disease mostly spread by extended contact in confined spaces. Interestingly the Apps that purport to track potential contacts all focus on one time period - 15+ minutes. Spending 30 seconds in an elevator or passing someone in a shopping centre just doesn’t cut it. The arguments for masks are strongest in indoor or static environments (such as a football stadium where attendees don’t move around) and much less for outdoor protest marches such as the ludicrous People Of Colour Lives Matter

1. Every medical professional in the world states you're far safer outdoors vs. indoors.

2. They also all state you're more at more risk with prolonged periods of time indorrs around people versus a quick 30 seconds.

3. The director of the CDC just days ago testified to the US Senate under oath that if people just wore masks and took proper pre-cautions, the United States would have this entire pandemic under control within 6 - 8 weeks, instead of allowing it to continue to sprial out of contorl. Same goes for every medical professional in the world.

4. Don't be an assohle, and just put a mask on when you go out. It'ls really not that big of a deal.

[bkkguy]

and this thread has so quickly deteriorated to the point where we would all probably be better off ignoring this thread as well as the other two threads originally highlighted ...

[cdnmatt]

Well, I don't understand why people are so allergic to listening to some of the world's top and highly renowned epidemiologists, and instead come up with their own reality that suits them better.

[StevieWonders]

Well, I don't understand why people are so allergic to listening to some of the world's top and highly renowned epidemiologists, and instead come up with their own reality that suits them better.

Make up your mind, Matt. Is it “some of the world’s top and highly renowned epidemiologists” (your latest post) or “every medical professional in the world” (your penultimate post in this thread)?

BTW my favourite headline this week comes from Newsweek: “Dozens infected with COVID-19 at hospital after nurse retirement party”