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    No, Simon

    I watched the latest “sensitive”, “coming of age” American gay film Yes, Simon but was disappointed, apart from a single episode – where Simon imagines his friends “coming out” to their parents as heterosexual. Nudity? Nah – a single, short scene where he steps out of the shower to check his phone, a towel wrapped tastefully around the crown jewels, but we get to see the manly chest. The nipples are worth a glance – which is all you get, half way through the film. It’s a long time to wait. No arse shots, though, clothed or otherwise. Such thoughts some here will doubtless suggest are tasteless, and should be focussed on poor brown boys in Pattaya rather than rich white boys in California

    The film revolves in part around social media, but blink and you’d miss the single reference (no visual) to Grindr. Simon knows all about Grindr (or at least enough to correct his father, who offers to “follow” him on Grindr, that “Grindr isn’t Facebook”) but we never see him using it. In fact, while all the heterosexuals around him seem to have their tongues down each other’s throats in scene after scene (perhaps the contrast is intentional), Simon appears to be sexually intimate with nobody until the very end, when he meets his (previously virtual) friend and they snog. Spoiler alert – it’s a multi-racial happy ending. Very politically correct. (I was rooting for the white boy with the tints in his hair)

    Subtracting from any sense that this is a realistic portrayal – despite the heavy use of online activity, there’s absolutely nothing about online pornography, and as for masturbation it’s never even hinted at …

    I guess the studio is hoping for as wide a distribution as possible. A friend of mine says he’ll be haunting the men’s lavatory of the nearest cinema showing the film (remembrance of teenage Joe Orton in Prick Up Your Ears)

    Contrast that to an episode of the English television series Bliss that I stumbled across. The series is mostly about the agonies of heterosexual bigamy , so I didn’t bother to watch the rest of the series. However, in this episode we find the anti-hero’s teenage son asking his mother if he can get out of the car and skateboard home through the park. It’s evening. Off to get his cock sucked I thought immediately. That was before he “came out” to his parents later in the episode. And teenage-boy-on-skateboard – the whole ensemble is known to one of my friends as “meals on wheels”. Far more authentic, although probably too subtle for your average breeder. For me, if it’s American moves, the Netflix film Alex Strangelove is way more realistic


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    I was rooting for the same young man. His name is Miles Hizer and he has a prominate role in Netflix's 13 reasons why. I think you're a little harsh on the movie though. It was meant for wide distribution not a XXX rating. The plot is actually hilarious as he tries to come out and find the on-line guy he has fallen for. Frankly, we need many more such movies where the hero is Gay and the ending is happy with cheers by a crowd as two guys kiss. All done with great support from family, friends and school.

    If film and TV have an influence on popular perceptions then this sort of movie is doing more than it's fair share for the Gay movement; it screams acceptance and love. Moreover, while you see no nudity you might compare it to the difference between a go-go bar and a host bar: just because he is covered up makes him no less hot.

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    Re: No, Simon

    Quote Originally Posted by paborn View Post
    I was rooting for the same young man. His name is Miles Hizer and he has a prominate role in Netflix's 13 reasons why. I think you're a little harsh on the movie though. It was meant for wide distribution not a XXX rating. The plot is actually hilarious as he tries to come out and find the on-line guy he has fallen for. Frankly, we need many more such movies where the hero is Gay and the ending is happy with cheers by a crowd as two guys kiss. All done with great support from family, friends and school.

    If film and TV have an influence on popular perceptions then this sort of movie is doing more than it's fair share for the Gay movement; it screams acceptance and love. Moreover, while you see no nudity you might compare it to the difference between a go-go bar and a host bar: just because he is covered up makes him no less hot.
    You may find this queer riposte to your views in Slate magazine. They also found Yes, Simon somewhat wanting

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    Yes, I read that and the review in Atlantic that called it, "groundbreakingly ordinary." Yet, even the Atlantic noted that the various coming out moments were handled with grace and dignity. I still like it and bought the DVD to support the effort. I suppose this is why there are some many flavors of ice cream. Oh, and I loved Alex Strangelove as well.

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    Re: No, Simon

    Quote Originally Posted by paborn View Post
    Yes, I read that and the review in Atlantic that called it, "groundbreakingly ordinary." Yet, even the Atlantic noted that the various coming out moments were handled with grace and dignity. I still like it and bought the DVD to support the effort. I suppose this is why there are some many flavors of ice cream. Oh, and I loved Alex Strangelove as well.
    "Coming out" is merely the excuse gay children feel obliged to make to their parents for not giving them grandchildren. As I think I said one of the best scenes in Yes, Simon for me was where he fantasised about his friends "coming out" to their parents as straight

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    "Coming out" is merely the excuse gay children feel obliged to make to their parents for not giving them grandchildren. As I think I said one of the best scenes in Yes, Simon for me was where he fantasised about his friends "coming out" to their parents as straight
    The fantasised scenes were, indeed, well done. But I disagree with your first statment. After years in corporate work and as a teacher years before that I can attest that "coming out" is far more than an apology to parents. In fact, that was the least of it.

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