lady boys

[francois]

I see, snotface.

[Smiles]

" ... Cheers and hugs ... " creep me out as well, though only from certain persons.

[nordicguy]

But what makes the sin in your eyes? The thought or writing the thought down? Or both?

Hannah Arendt once wrote something on the origin of evil which is not a specific feature or "drive" residing in certain human beings (that we do not like and therefore classify as creeps) but it is simply the lack of reflections on your impulses and acts. In this case, I wrote something that was clearly disrespectful, shameless or even worse. It was just a thought or impulse in my head that I wrote down that I should have thought about first and rejected based on the moral concepts that I subscribe to.

I have asked the moderators if they could please delete my post as I deeply regret that i wrote it and because it does not meet the rules of this forum

Rest in peace, Mon...

[Jellybean]

nordicguy

I am unable to contact you by private message (PM), as the system says you have chosen not to receive PMs.

[scottish-guy]

Wow - I didn't realise you could disable PMs from Mods and Admins!!

SG heads to Settings.........................

[Smiles]

" ... Hannah Arendt once wrote something on the origin of evil which is not a specific feature or "drive" residing in certain human beings (that we do not like and therefore classify as creeps) but it is simply the lack of reflections on your impulses and acts. In this case, I wrote something that was clearly disrespectful, shameless or even worse ... "

Oh my god, now I'm feeling quite contrite.
Have no fear Nordic, this board has seen many a Behemoth over the years, though very few have inserted H. Arendt into the mix. Just for that alone I will be happy to walk back my reference to ''creepy" and just allude to being "slightly uncomfortable".
And please, for heaven sake, don't start quoting Ayn Rand.

[paborn]

Oh my god, now I'm feeling quite contrite.
Have no fear Nordic, this board has seen many a Behemoth over the years, though very few have inserted H. Arendt into the mix. Just for that alone I will be happy to walk back my reference to ''creepy" and just allude to being "slightly uncomfortable".
And please, for heaven sake, don't start quoting Ayn Rand.

beautifully resolved all around!

[nordicguy]

I am not proud of it, but if in every country in the world the normal escort price for the boys of my type (cute twinky Asians) was say 400 EUR per hour, I would I have a big problem. So we all PROFIT from the situation in Thailand that we can fuck our types, for - for us - cheap prices. So secretly we wish deep down that we hope these cheap prices continue. But this necessarily means we all hope Thailand will for the time being not approach Western European levels of wellfare.

It's a tough one to put on the table... :-)

I've always thought that there was much more substance to the seemingly strong mututal attraction between white men and Asian boys than just the superficial difference in wealth. I think it also has to do with body types/physics and cultural positive stereotypes in our minds. When I travel in Japan and on the west coast in the US where there are many cute Asian boys, I feel that the Asian boys there are also very attracted to white men even though there is no significant difference in income levels. I see the same in more developed SE Asian countries with higher income levels that may local boys just seem to have a thing for white men.

But of course, in the poorer South East Asian countries, it's a completely different game where young sexy Asian boys online immediately begin asking you for a dates (with and without money involve) the minute you leave the plane and set your foot on Asian ground and turn on Hornet, Grindr etc. The attention you get in these platforms as a white western gay man in Thailand in e.g. BKK is quite overwhelming, and it feels nice even though most of the boys are also interested in your money. There is to me also something beautiful and sympathetic and very positive in this cultural exchange of sex, time, experiences and - for me - occasionally also some money/gifts. The Danish journalist, Henrik List, wrote an article for a conservative Danish daily newspaper about the social benefits of western single male tourists in Asia having sex with locals boys/women for money and western sexpats living in Asia. His claim was that no other institutions privide more butter and bread on the table of the less fortunate young Asians than these western men do even though they are subject to condemnatoin . Of course he was criticised heavily afterwards and accused of exploiting poor young Asians.

But back to you question: Don't we want Thailand to become as rich as Western Europe or the US? I'm not sure it will make the Thais happier to become as pampered and rich in material stuff as the western world or Japan for instance. Are the Japanese feeling much better now that they have all the materialistic stuff they could ever desire? even toilets with heated seats.... No, not really. In fact, they find it harder and harder to find the meaning of life the richer they get. Same thing could be said about many western societies that hunt for meaning in consumerism or pseodo religions like sports or special diets. My point is that I actually do hope that Thailand remains Thailand and there is a risk of losing your soul and identity if you just follow the path of the western societies and Japan. Regarding the boys, I have the same position: Western boys are in my view often plain arrogant, lazy, disrespectful and hopeless when we talk about sex. Are they happier than the much poorer SE Asian boys? Not really. I see a thousand times more happy smiles in the faces of Thai boys than in the faces of western boys.

What I hope for Thailand and other relatively poor SE Asian countries is to develop a public system that is capable of providing good and free health care and good education and an descent minimum of social security to it's citizens, but I don't hope they will develop into super wealthy, boring/bored middleclass-dominated countries. And money boys? Yes, there is a of course clear link between national level of wealth of Thailand and the supply/damand of Thai boys/farangs and the prices the farangs have to pay to be with a cute Thai boy for a night. The more wealthy Thailand gets, the less the Thai boys will need us and our financial support. Is this a good development? Most people will say yes, but I'm actually not sure that happiness and life satisfaction has to do with financial wealth. Health care and other basic needs (house, food, transportation) are important factors in a good life, but development never stops there - the human greed wants more and more, but I'm really not sure that the aboundance societies of Japan and the West make people happy. I'm not saying that it's better to be a poor Thai boy in BKK who has sex with horny older western guys for money every weekend compared with a young European guy with middleclass background, education and all kind of materialistic goods and financial security. I'm just saying that both can have good lives regardless of their level of wealth - and that the Thai boy is the carrier of a unique and rich cultural and spritual heritage that I think it worth more than money and middleclass comfort. Many western people lost their sense of belonging somewhere and having a historically rooted cultural identity as they got richer.

It's all summed up in the difference you see in the annoyed, arrogant, playing "hard-to-get" eyes of a western 19 year old boy who has everything but still wants more - compared with the big warm smile and the big thankful brown beautiful eyes of a Thai boy when you are kind to him, take good care of him and give him a small gift. No doubt that the Thai boy probably wants the level of wealth of the European boy and I wish him to have this as well - no doubt! - but he would not be happier.

[scottish-guy]

... the Thai boy probably wants the level of wealth of the European boy and I wish him to have this as well - no doubt! - but he would not be happier.

Your position is well argued (from the comfortable position, Im guessing, of a white comfortably off Westerner) but I think you have to have been in the position of not knowing where your next meal is coming from before making that particular judgement call.

We can kid ourselves all we want - the percentage of Thai boys that we encounter who are involved in commercial sex and are genuinely sexually attracted to older farang can be counted on the fingers of one hand. Over 90% are doing it for the money - due to not having any, and the lack of either wit, opportunity or motivation to feed and house themselves any other way

[nordicguy]

It's not the youthfulness of the "performers" that puts me off (I'm sure they're all of legal age for sexual activity at least - dunno about Thai porn laws) it's the penchant the film-maker apparently has for showing boys in discomfort/pain....

I admit that I'm a porn lover and that I lover gay porn with Thai guys. The photographer behind PrivateBoyMovie (whoever he is) did make some really beautiful and profesoinal looking erotic picture galleries with cute Thai boys aged 18 to mid-20ish. There is no "discomfort" in these picture - just solo pictures with wide smiles all over the faces, erect cocks, sexy butts and beautiful bodies being graciously showed off to the camera. This includes the pictures of dear Mon Kwan (model name) - the poor guy who died as we just talked about.

About the movies, I agree with you that some of them - I believe it's the earlier ones - showing young Thai guys who obviously don't like what they are doing with the camera man. There are many of them that I don't like at all and never watched - some that does not turn me on at all (exactly those scene themes you refer to). In fact, these scenes turns me off, it's repulsive in my view, especially since it's seemingly only the camera guy enjoying doing it. These older movies are flowing around in tube sites, but they have been removed from the pay site (been a while since I checked but I guess it's a dead cash cow site now, not changing anymore). The newer scenes are all just plain vanila sex - conventional gay sex involving oral and anal sex with a top and a bottom, but no SM or dominance theme. In reality, only few people are into kinky stuff. Maybe this European porn guy found out that from a commercial point of view, all the kinky 'unethical' porn scenes scared away potential customers. From an ethical point of view, you can critise all kinds of porn for exposing people who just does it for money without always knowing the consequences. I guess no parents are thrilled about their adult sons doing gay porn, but stlil some young guys choses to do porn - both in Asia and in Europe. Extremely few young guys are exhibitionst to a level where they actually do like having Point of View sex videos of themelves flowing around the internet. This is something you only do for the money - and is it okay to lure young guys into this with a large sum of money? Are they aware of the long-term consequences? Probably not.

I know one porn site featuring young Caucasian guys - Boycrush - where the owner and producer is a public person (he's on Twitter for instance) who has a clear policy on doing porn with younger guys in an more ethical acceptable way in term for salary, working conditions and making it clearly for them what they are about to be doing. But this is in most cases a really a bad industry .... but still I like porn ... I have to admit that.