So, what is happening at Soi Twilight?

[Nirish guy]

I still do not understand why the owner of Dream Boys has been curt and cold to me. --

Because sometimes some people are just ignorant cunts and have no manners or wish to interact with others - surely having reached your age in life you've experienced this before, it really cant be a first for you - is it ?

As my thai friends would say "maybe you tink too much" - just take people as you find them, if you're nice to them and they're nice to you great but if not ( for whatever reason) simply move on and don't let them or whatever they've got going on in their lives bother you ( so much apparently)

[werner]

Because sometimes some people are just ignorant cunts and have no manners or wish to interact with others - surely having reached your age in life you've experienced this before, it really cant be a first for you - is it ?

As my thai friends would say "maybe you tink too much" - just take people as you find them, if you're nice to them and they're nice to you great but if not ( for whatever reason) simply move on and don't let them or whatever they've got going on in their lives bother you ( so much apparently)

Good advice! Thanks!

Yes, I have encountered a lot of nasty people in many countries during the 70+ years of my life, but very, very few in Thailand. And this is one of the reasons I enjoy Thailand so much.

[paborn]

After all this discussion I hesitate to admidt that I never noticed the owner of Dream Boys, I can't even estimate the number of times I've been there. I guess I go there to shop and he's - well, not what I'm looking shopping for. Come Jnauary I'll have a look. Frankly, I'm so myopic I thought the transvestite mamasan at Super Lex was the owner - oh well, it was my happy hunting ground for years.

[a447]

I can best judge the German guy from my own experiences with him.

When I first saw him I thought, What a miserable old bastard! Here he was, running a very successful bar in Thailand and raking in the money, yet always looking unhappy and unapproachable.

So one night I decided to approach him. I asked him, in German, how he was going and what business was like. To my surprise he engaged with me in conversation and we had a very enjoyable chat.

I wasn't looking for friendship; rather, I was interested in what it was like to run a business in Thailand.

And that's why I used to sit and chat with Neal outside Happy Place in Pattaya. It was more of a monologue with Neal doing all the talking, but I found his stories about the trials and tribulations of running a gay bar fascinating.

And unlike the German, who has always been very interested in my life and has asked me many questions, Neal never asked me a single question - it was all about him.

I take people as they come and consider myself to be non-judgemental - until the bullshit starts. To me, he comes across as very genuine.

I also tend to trust people. Ok, I got it wrong with Neal but we live and learn.

So as far as I'm concerned, the German is a really nice, friendly guy. That may be because I don't go up to him and constantly complain about the over-priced drinks in Dreamboys. I also know he's suffering various serious health problems - nothing to smile about, I'd imagine.

But I'm guessing here.

I also remember a conversation I had a few years ago with a guy who worked at Dreamboys and he described him as "a good boss. Good heart".

So who knows?

[werner]

I can best judge the German guy from my own experiences with him.

When I first saw him I thought, What a miserable old bastard! Here he was, running a very successful bar in Thailand and raking in the money, yet always looking unhappy and unapproachable.

So one night I decided to approach him. I asked him, in German, how he was going and what business was like. To my surprise he engaged with me in conversation and we had a very enjoyable chat.

I wasn't looking for friendship; rather, I was interested in what it was like to run a business in Thailand.

And that's why I used to sit and chat with Neal outside Happy Place in Pattaya. It was more of a monologue with Neal doing all the talking, but I found his stories about the trials and tribulations of running a gay bar fascinating.

And unlike the German, who has always been very interested in my life and has asked me many questions, Neal never asked me a single question - it was all about him.

I take people as they come and consider myself to be non-judgemental - until the bullshit starts. To me, he comes across as very genuine.

I also tend to trust people. Ok, I got it wrong with Neal but we live and learn.

So as far as I'm concerned, the German is a really nice, friendly guy. That may be because I don't go up to him and constantly complain about the over-priced drinks in Dreamboys. I also know he's suffering various serious health problems - nothing to smile about, I'd imagine.

But I'm guessing here.

I also remember a conversation I had a few years ago with a guy who worked at Dreamboys and he described him as "a good boss. Good heart".

So who knows?

a447,

Thanks for writing in some detail.

I feel very, very bad about having made some derogatory remarks about the owner of Dream Boys. I would like to apologize to him and to his friends.

He has run an interesting and successful bar that I have visited many times. Perhaps when I approached him to say hello, he just was very busy or in a bad mood.

If and when I visit the bar again, I will apologize to him personally if he is there. I hope that he will accept my sincere apology.

P.S. I wonder if he and the other owners/managers of the gay venues read this forum.....

[a447]

I feel very, very bad about having made some derogatory remarks about the owner of Dream Boys. I would like to apologize to him and to his friends.

He has run an interesting and successful bar that I have visited many times. Perhaps when I approached him to say hello, he just was very busy or in a bad mood.

If and when I visit the bar again, I will apologize to him personally if he is there. I hope that he will accept my sincere apology. .

That's a very generous gesture on your behalf but perhaps an apology is not needed. Up to you.

And judging from the accounts given here by other members he can, at times, be unpleasant.

I was simply pointing out that he has always been nice to me and treated me with respect.

Your point about him running a successful bar is valid; he has somehow managed to prosper when so many others have failed and I respect his business acumen, which has provided us with so much fun over the years.

[Nirish guy]

You may well be right - and my comment about "some people are cunts" wasn't directed at him in particular, more just in general. Maybe he's the nicest guy on the planet, I've no idea.

[Blueskytoday]

So whats happening on Soi Twilight...get back to the original post..not politics

[frequent]

So whats happening on Soi Twilight...get back to the original post..not politics

Opinions swing between SFA (Sweet Fuck All) and FIIK (Fucked If I Know)

[bkkguy]

Opinions swing between SFA (Sweet Fuck All) and FIIK (Fucked If I Know)

actually on discussion forums it is usually knowledge that swings between SFA and FIIK, while opinions - even when based on such knowledge - are usually much more explicitly expressed, this has been particularly so when discussing the best "solution" for the Twilight venues for when the soi is re-developed next week/month/year/decade

bkkguy