Boyztown Pattaya Oscars Bar no more.

[Blacktouch]

OK. I was wondering about that because I often think walking through Sunee how they can possibily survive. But if you get on average 30 clients a day spending 300 baht each you already have 9000 baht earnings in one single day. if you get only 15 clients a day (maybe some Sunee bars qualify for that low number) you still will have 4500 baht each single day.

Since 70.000 baht a month you need to pay for rent, it looks that it can be done indeed.

Dont forget overhead bills like, electricity, staff wages, insurance, taxes, water, business rates (if they have in Thailand), and stock etc.

And they still need to make profit on top of all that.

[AsDaRa]

Dont forget overhead bills like, electricity, staff wages, insurance, taxes, water, business rates (if they have in Thailand), and stock etc.

And they still need to make profit on top of all that.

Good point. How do you explain that many not well visited bars survive? Can it be the mob, that the bars are used to white wash criminally earned money? They just inflate the number of visitors to make their illegal money, legal. Which is easy to do because everyone pays cash so you can pretend criminally earned bahts are just bar income from customers, thereby legalizing these bahts.

[Blacktouch]

Good point. How do you explain that many not well visited bars survive? Can it be the mob, that the bars are used to white wash criminally earned money? They just inflate the number of visitors to make their illegal money, legal. Which is easy to do because everyone pays cash so you can pretend criminally earned bahts are just bar income from customers, thereby legalizing these bahts.

This could well be the case? I think the words you're looking for is called "money laundering".

How else are those business surviving?

This reminds me of the rent bar and club in Prague (Monty Bar and Club Temple), still open, but hardly any customers. How do they remain open all these last few years with all those overheads?

[bkkguy]

Dont forget overhead bills like, electricity, staff wages, insurance, taxes, water, business rates (if they have in Thailand), and stock etc.

and most importantly a large enough table for the making of "special" payments under

Can it be the mob, that the bars are used to white wash criminally earned money?

if you believe the scandalous rumours about Soi Twilight in Bangkok it is a "wash, rinse, repeat" cycle - the bars run by the army pay bribes to the local police who launder it through the bars that they run which pay bribes to the army ...

I don't believe any of it of course!

bkkguy

[pennyboy]

I would be very surprised if the average beer bar in Sunee is paying 70000bt per month rent.

[Blacktouch]

I would be very surprised if the average beer bar in Sunee is paying 70000bt per month rent.

If it is true, no wonder why some of these poor bars are closing down?

[scottish-guy]

I was quoted 70.000 a month for the new lease. No garantee !!!!!

No guarantee of what? Success?

And who owns the property - clearly you've spoken with him/her/them, to be quoted a rental figure?

Genuine question.

[arsenal]

Having sat many times at the highest of high season in bars near Oscars I can guarantee that at 70000 baht rent the only promise is a loss. Even half that would be a struggle.

[AsDaRa]

A loss with even 35.000 (half of 70.000) in the high season? But in high season you easily get in Boyztown like 50 customers a day. Say 200 baht each. Is 10.000 baht a day. Is 300.000 baht a month. Shouldn’t that be profitable with only a rent of 35.000 baht?

Unless indeed you have a 6 man staff which you need to pay like 12.000 baht every month. That is another 72.000. But then still you are left with almost 200.000 baht. Add electricity bill and stuff and it looks to be profitable.

[Moses]

A loss with even 35.000 (half of 70.000) in the high season? But in high season you easily get in Boyztown like 50 customers a day. Say 200 baht each. Is 10.000 baht a day. Is 300.000 baht a month. Shouldn’t that be profitable with only a rent of 35.000 baht?

Unless indeed you have a 6 man staff which you need to pay like 12.000 baht every month. That is another 72.000. But then still you are left with almost 200.000 baht. Add electricity bill and stuff and it looks to be profitable.

You forgot investments to interior and renovation, daily investments to drinks and food. And main is - high season is only 4 months from 12.