Mobile phone number

[goji]

There is a vicious circle of poverty. Because your friend is so poor, he cannot regularly check his messages and meet your for a paid encounter. You will instead meet someone else, who has the money to have a mobile phone and regular data access. The poor gets poorer, the rich gets richer.

In the prostitution game, the poor get poorer due to a lack of aptitude, not due to a lack of capital for their phones. Remaining poor due to a lack of aptitude is perfectly fair.

A long time off would bring in ~2000. About 3~4 long time offs should be enough to buy one of the basic smartphones, or perhaps a better quality used one. Anyone with zero capital should just cruise around the gay spots until he gets a client, then use internet cafs until he's had several clients & then he's good to go. Or work in a gogo bar until a suitable phone can be purchased.

Last month, I offed one Lao boy in Pattaya. I didn't check the details enough, but he's already a little plump, to the extent where it must be hurting his turnover & his performance in bed was such that my notes state "no repeat off".

Yet even he has a 1 month old 36,000 baht phone. So no shortage of working capital. I still suspect he will be struggling in a few years time, since he is blowing the money on luxury purchases now, whilst not putting enough effort into protecting his income stream.

There was another one who had a couple of offs with an acquaintance, then lost several thousand baht gambling & needed money. He told me what time he would arrive & asked me to wait outside my hotel. Instead of going to my hotel, he went to eat & called me after eating, expecting me to wait around for him to arrive 20 minutes late. Obviously I told him to go elsewhere. That one is also likely to always be short of money.

On the good side, I met a Cambodian farmer's son, who turned up on time, spoke good English, had a sensible phone, performed in bed and actually took the trouble to ask me if everything was OK afterwards. That one might get ahead.

The most careful ones put some money in the bank, buy sensible phones & take great care of their customers, so they might get repeat business.

So remaining poor because they don't try to be good with money is perfectly fair. People should take responsibility to be sensible with their own finances.

And if you think any other economic system is better than capitalism, well try going to communist Laos to see if living standards are any better there.

[joe552]

goji, I find your analysis rather harsh. Outside of the gay bar scene I think there are many young Thais struggling to get by, and not because they're addicted to the latest phone. We all know that Thailand is a very unequal society - trying to break away from your background as the son of a poor rice farmer can't be easy. Not all poverty is self-inflicted as you seem to suggest.

[goji]

goji, I find your analysis rather harsh. Outside of the gay bar scene I think there are many young Thais struggling to get by

Joe552. I think you're probably right to say there are many Thais outside of the bar scene struggling.

However, rightly or wrongly, I was responding to Christian's comment that someone is too poor to have a phone to arrange a paid encounter, along with some marxist comment about the poor staying poor.
People who take payment for sex in Thailand have every opportunity to start getting ahead, if they are careful with what income they do get.

[Note: I have no idea whether your appointment would be paid or not, but my comment is a reply to Christian's comment]

[TaoR]

I don't think GOJI said anything surprising. Here is the United States we have people who rather lose their jobs than put their cell phones away while working. These people are mostly young guys. One guy gets a new phone and he is the most popular employee that day; eventually all the other guys follow to fit in.

They live paycheck to paycheck but yet they have to have all the newest features and all they use those phones for is to watch funny videos, surf facebook and instagram, oh and are constantly carrying on text message conversations.

Its nothing unique to Thailand or Thai boys....

[a447]

Goji, I agree with all your comments, except this one :

"So remaining poor because they don't try to be good with money is perfectly fair. People should take responsibility to be sensible with their own finances."

These guys have grown up in poverty and have never had any money to "be good with" or to "take responsibility to be sensible."

Is a lot to ask of them, I think.

[joe552]

christian, pardon my French, but that's a load of crap. You've been in Thailand how long? And still failed to have any sort of meaningful relationship (that you've told us about). To be honest, you're the last person I'd look to for advice on my friendships.

[joe552]

00 or + for international calls. Joe, you are in Thailand now and are using your Irish number, on roaming?

There is a vicious circle of poverty. Because your friend is so poor, he cannot regularly check his messages and meet your for a paid encounter. You will instead meet someone else, who has the money to have a mobile phone and regular data access. The poor gets poorer, the rich gets richer.

christian, pardon my French, but you're talking a load of crap. How long have you lived in Thailand? And you've yet to have a meaningful relationship that you've told us about. To be honest, you're the last person I'd be asking for relationship advice.

[frequent]

christian, pardon my French, but you're talking a load of crap. How long have you lived in Thailand? And you've yet to have a meaningful relationship that you've told us about. To be honest, you're the last person I'd be asking for relationship advice.

Why the emphasis on having a relationship as a measure of anything? My interests include politics and economics and I would expect a relationship to be with someone who shares those interests. I don't expect however to have an interesting, informed discussion on those topics with many white boys, let alone one from a conformist, chauvinist, anti-intellectual culture like Thailand. Does that also make me someone who's a failure because I haven't formed a long-term relationship in Thailand?

[joe552]

frequent, as far as I can remember (not far, admittedly) you don't post about your escapades in Thailand in any great detail. So I have no idea about your relationship history. You may well have a partner in farangland. christian, on the other hand, posts about his attempts to connect with Thai guys, and they all seem to fail to meet his standards. Surely after a number of years living in Thailand, he would have adjusted his attitude? Just my 2 satang worth.

[frequent]

frequent, as far as I can remember (not far, admittedly) you don't post about your escapades in Thailand in any great detail.

I find a447's posts and christian's also for that matter far too vulgar, but if you think I don't mention my relationship status I'm afraid you're simply not paying attention. Most recently I've posted that I think gay marriage is for lesbians and bed-wetters, and relationships generally as more of a nuisance than otherwise. It is better simply to rent* - most recently I commented that if you don't pay them how can you be sure they'll go away afterwards. Sex is for pleasure, although I can see that breeders in particular use it as a bonding mechanism, like monkeys grooming each other - also a recent comment. As for escapades, did you miss my post about the three-way in a public lavatory the other day? Less is more, I find, when writing these things down. As for attitude adjustment .... people don't adjust their attitudes - haven't you learnt that by now? a447's posts also follow a familiar trajectory each trip - initial disappointment, a happy encounter, another one or two disappointments, and so on

* I rented the same two Thai guys for a number of years, but none of us suggested forming a relationship