Liar Len

[Nirish guy]

that'll be that fucking robot ! See, robots, you invent them and the next thing they're running the bloody place it seems ! It's ok, i'm sure one of the Mod's will step in and correct that robotic glitch any minute now for you..... or not .

[scottish-guy]

All tickety-boo now, as you can see

[Nirish guy]

Yes but as my wise old mother used to tell me “just because someone tells you to stick you hand in a fire doesn’t mean you have to do it” - and Im guessing the same can be said for software tweaks.

I mean what you don’t think that one owner, three moderators and a robot is a touch of ever so slight over kill to “moderate” around probably no more that 15-20 old guys who’ve all been talking to or at each other on here for many many years already?

Actually the smart move could in fact be to make SG a mod too as then of course neither he nor Arsenal could bitch at each other as they’d both be fellow mods AND it would get him off your back too as of course he wouldn’t feel that he could disagree pulically or otherwise with the owner of the very board that he helps moderate !!

So, hey if you’re up for trying out new things there’s a constructive suggestion for you ! Hell it can’t be any worse than having your mod and one of your members bitching at each other online every single day it appears as things currently stand - the only difference between then being that one member can get booted for doing that whereas the other apparently can’t, which even you would have to have to seem a bit unfair to most right thinking people I would imagine.

So, there you go, dont say I didn't try to help.

[Brad the Impala]

Thanks for the explanation of how the robots work. Isn’t new technology wonderful!

It seems from the absence in your answer that there was no advice to the posters of such a system being implemented. When did it start being applied?

My question of how "infraction points" are allocated remains unanswered. So do individual moderators act alone? Do they decide individually how many points any infraction warrants? Or is there a set tariff, like your driving license scenario of failing to stop at red lights or speeding receiving a set number of points?

The equivalence of reckless driving and reckless posting is an interesting concept.

Rumour has it that some moderators are penalising posters and hiding comments that are apposite, in case another moderator might be offended!

[Moses]

My question of how "infraction points" are allocated remains unanswered. So do individual moderators act alone? Do they decide individually how many points any infraction warrants? Or is there a set tariff, like your driving license scenario of failing to stop at red lights or speeding receiving a set number of points?

No, points are predefined; examples:
- spam/advertising without my permission: 8 points
- insulting other member 3 points
- public moderation case discussion - 5 points

Moderator just have to chose what rule been breached, rest will be on infraction system. It also forces moderator to left explanation to member. Member receives receipt of infraction with explanation to his PM box.

By the way: it is not possible for moderator to give infraction un-noticeable - after each infraction robot sends report to special hidden sub-forum with remarks: who gives, who receives, for what, what been explained to user, and how many points. This forum is visible to all moderators and admins and we discuss each case.

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[Nirish guy]

No, points are predefined; examples: - insulting other member 3 points. Moderator just have to chose what rule been breached,]

Hmm ok, right well in that case - "All the members of this site are wankers !"

There, that should keep you and your moderating team busy foere a while, so, was that an insult - and if so many many insults as directed at ALL the members here - OR was it just a plain and simple statement of fact !?? :-)

There, that'll give you somehting to occupy yourselves so you dont have to waste any further time on your silly penaty point system for people "insulting other members", hell like it or lump it but this board has been built on that very thing half times. Tell me are you SURE you cant give yourself points for insulting other members.....intelligence perhaps by prosposing such an idiotic scheme on here in the first place ?

I think you're taking this wee message board thing WAY too seriously perhaps Moses, it's a load of old guys talking about sex and loving Asia ( or not) nothing more.

[Moses]

I think you're taking this wee message board thing WAY too seriously perhaps Moses, it's a load of old guys talking about sex and loving Asia ( or not) nothing more.

wrong... not a sentence is wrong, but your presumption what I am thinking about idea "what this board is"... useless efforts to think about present - it is as it is...

... here I will leave to you space for to think and to continue.

[frequent]

- insulting other member 3 points

Whether a member is insulted or indeed whether a poster intends to insult are both highly subjective. As well, as I recall the posting guidelines more or less say that members do not have a right not to be offended. I might intend that referring to one poster as a "Scottish git", to another as a "high-tech wanker" and a third as an "old fool" as an insult, others may perceive it as an insult, still others may not care, and the recipient thinks it's a joke and does not respond. Is this a 3 demerit point infraction, or is there some element of retardation that is invoked, so that it's not an insult until some objection is made? It's just not very transparent. I refer to myself as a "whoremonger" specifically because a sanctimonious fool who is a member of this board clearly believes it to be a term of opprobrium. Is he getting 3 demerit points for using the term about members, or am I because I refer to him as a sanctimonious fool? What about my comment in a post the other day about "lip pursing" members?

[Moses]

Whether a member is insulted or indeed whether a poster intends to insult are both highly subjective. As well, as I recall the posting guidelines more or less say that members do not have a right not to be offended. I might intend that referring to one poster as a "Scottish git", to another as a "high-tech wanker" and a third as an "old fool" as an insult, others may perceive it as an insult, still others may not care, and the recipient thinks it's a joke and does not respond. Is this a 3 demerit point infraction, or is there some element of retardation that is invoked, so that it's not an insult until some objection is made? It's just not very transparent. I refer to myself as a "whoremonger" specifically because a sanctimonious fool who is a member of this board clearly believes it to be a term of opprobrium. Is he getting 3 demerit points for using the term about members, or am I because I refer to him as a sanctimonious fool? What about my comment in a post the other day about "lip pursing" members?

you are right, it is very subjective point in infraction system, that why we should check with dictionaries - if word is marked as offensive, should be infraction then, if word isn't marked as offensive in dictionary - then infraction shouldn't be applied

[frequent]

you are right, it is very subjective point in infraction system, that why we should check with dictionaries - if word is marked as offensive, should be infraction then, if word isn't marked as offensive in dictionary - then infraction shouldn't be applied

That is precisely why I used the word "retardation" in my post, because you have already made the point about a dictionary - which one, by the way? - marking certain words as offensive. Retarded and its associated words may well be marked as offensive, but the way I used it, it was not. Equally dictionaries would likely be silent about "high-tech wanker" but it could be intended and/or taken as insulting. One of the reasons I attempt to use words like "apposite" in my posts, for example, or "fungible" is to obscure my meaning for simple-minded people (is that an insult?) so as to avoid such mechanistic attempts at censorship.

I think there's a line in Yes Minister where Jim Hacker complains about the obscurity of Humphrey Appleby's language, and Humphrey takes it as a compliment. I feel exactly the same way

It is how this forum being developed by American programmers...

Europeans invented the court system and it was borrowed by the Russians, the Thais etc. However few Europeans would dream of suggesting that courts in authoritarian countries are other than instruments of oppression, while still happily using the self-same system of courts in their democratic countries