Not true. Lots of offs every night if one compares numbers of boys at 8.00pm and then at 12.00am.
MFAS. Next time one of these 'sissy boys' has the bare faced cheek to invite you into the bar for a drink with a big smile and an over-pronounced "hellooooooooo" you can either...
a) whip out a Billy club and sort him out.
b) smile back and reply with an even longer one.
c) just say 'not tonight thanks'
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I'm intrigued by the level of anger that some gay visitors and particularly expats exhibit . The fury that minor events, and even anodyne postings, provoke is puzzling to those of us who look forward to out trips to Thailand. I can understand people being angry over political, social and humanitarian issues but surely not over such things as the opening of new restaurants in Pattaya?
Perhaps it's merely the internet lingua franca; if so , count me out. Those people in Thailand, as the temperature drops here in the UK and darkness falls at 1600, should count themselves extremely fortunate and replace their anger with gratitude and grace for a lifestyle that the vast majority of us envy.
I do count myself incredibly lucky living in Thailand. You only have to look at the horrors going on around the world every day on the news to fully appreciate the good fortune. I can do exactly what I want from dawn to dusk. Feeling hungry? - the fridge is fully stocked and nearby restaurants galore. Want to read a book? - plenty on my shelves. Fancy sex? - send a text message or go to a bar. Yet I am only too aware that much of the time I am not happy. I'm not usually depressed, but just feeling a low-level buzz of part-boredom, part-disquiet. Saying something unkind which I later regret seems like a safety valve. The times when my mood lifts in a really satisfying way are usually when I do something to help others - a friend who has some problem perhaps. Does that prompt me to become a charity volunteer or some such thing? Not on your life! That's the burden of being an ordinary person ruled by the ego with its constant call of 'pleasure me, pleasure me'.
Granted , it was quite a few years ago. I was walking along Nevsky prospect (the central avenue in Saint-Petersburg, Russia), when I was suddenly surrounded by a group of Asians. My first (instinctive) reaction was to fuck them off (based on my South-East Asian experience) until I quickly realized it was a robbery in the plain sight of a local policemen standing nearby. And though such an event could hardly happen in modern (much more fascist nevertheless) Russia, many things can and should be understood by comparison: if somebody grabbing your arm in soi Twilight, it is not the same in Nevsky prospect...
Although I disagree vehemently with Oliver's politics (much of the time ... there are small agreements every so often, every 7 years or so)
But I agree just as vehemently with his head-scratching regarding the tendency towards bitterness -- bitterness which is glued to one's shoulder and kicks in doors -- which raises it's ugly head quite often lately.
I do appreciate the difference between humour -- even cutting, sarcastic humour -- and bitterness. The latter has arrived here more than it should, and is not welcome.
On the other hand -- there's always another hand -- emasculating the board in order to keep 'nastiness' away is a loosers game as well. Just more bureaucratic 'posting rules' never works, and the board itself suffers. Defending the Middle Ground is better, at every turn.
I stay in Surawong too and I do not recognise it from bkkguy's description. Yes, there are massage bars along the road and yes, there are often guys and girls sitting outside them. Yes, they sometimes- sometimes- offer leaflets and even occasionally ask if I want a massage. But I've never had one take my by my arm in over twenty years of visits, nor experienced any form of aggression or rudeness. iI is their job to try to entice punters into their establishments and this they do with charm; invariably so in my experience.
There was a time when some of the barkers outside go-go bars in Soi Twilight were apt to grab passers-by but that problem has not been apparent for the past few years. There are many- and often discussed- reasons for the decline visitor numbers; aggressive Thais is not one of them.
Once again, I an intrigued by the unhappiness that a walk along Surawong Road provokes . I enjoy every minute as I make the journey to Soi Twilight and enjoy seeing cute and charming masseurs (of both sexes) . If they ask me if I want a massage, I say "no thanks"....and smile.
joe552 (November 24th, 2017), llz (November 25th, 2017), splinter1949 (November 25th, 2017)
I don’t find Thailand particularly agressive in terms of sidewalk promotion.
Walking from Jim Thompson’s shop to the Tarntawan Hotel entrance there are only 3 massage venues that I can recall and about the same number on the other side.
The same distance on Silom has more perhaps but the staff are very polite in their solicitations in all of these venues.
Twilight has its own style which is a bit more pushy but nowadays mostly involve women putting up fake resistance to being led inside to see bigger cock than their husbands’.
I found the vendors in Saigon very pushy and ignorant.
They will grab and yank at your clothing at you as you pass their stalls.
These are the people that provoke me into explitivity.