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[bkkguy]

bkkguy, thank you for analyze...

but first post is about another thing:

Originally Posted by arsenal Just workable ideas.......please.

None of the mods fully understands the software here and so we didn't know how to temporarily ban him.

given a comment such as this by a moderator and the arguing back and forth between moderators and posters in this thread perhaps Moses or arsenal can clarify what type of "workable" ideas you expect from forum visitors to "solve" the current problems - after all Moses you apparently have "years of experience" with discussions forums, if you can't formulate a workable set of posting guidelines, set up the forum software as required to control member postings and make sure the moderators understand the rules and the software what do you expect us to suggest?

bkkguy

[Moses]

given a comment such as this by a moderator and the arguing back and forth between moderators and posters in this thread perhaps Moses or arsenal can clarify what type of "workable" ideas you expect from forum visitors to "solve" the current problems - after all Moses you apparently have "years of experience" with discussions forums, if you can't formulate a workable set of posting guidelines, set up the forum software as required to control member postings and make sure the moderators understand the rules and the software what do you expect us to suggest?

bkkguy

aresenal wrote about fact, what internal control panels for moderation are new for him and he don't know it in full yet... it wasn't about "set up the forum software as required to control member postings"

[bkkguy]

aresenal wrote about fact, what internal control panels for moderation are new for him and he don't know it in full yet... it wasn't about "set up the forum software as required to control member postings"

typical selective quote, you missed the most relevant part - "and make sure the moderators understand the rules and the software"

most of this multi-page discussion would not be needed if the moderating rules where clear, the software was setup and the moderators knew how to use it - this is not rocket science!
bkkguy

[Moses]

most of this multi-page discussion would not be needed if the moderating rules where clear, the software was setup and the moderators knew how to use it - this is not rocket science!
bkkguy

sure... it will come with time

[arsenal]

You are right in that respect Jellybean. There will therefore be very few posts from me until my tenure as moderator ends on Dec 31.

[Jellybean]

Again I apologise to members. I have not posted for some time and appear to be falling foul of a problem with punctuation marks. I shall try one more time:

Thats fair game as an ordinary member, but not as a moderator.

If however you are not prepared to lose the freedom to post as you choose, within the rules of the forum of course, then members should not, again in my view, accept the moderator role.

Turning now to the exchange of posts between samebb and newalaan2. To begin with, the language on both sides was less than parliamentary, but moderators gave likes to one party to the argument, showing they were not impartial. Then when things got really out of hand, with unsubstantiated and unacceptable references to under-age sex, they should have been immediately deleted and a note left to say why the offensive comments had been deleted. A request to the member not to repeat the comments should have also been left along with a request for all members to moderate their language and to calm down.

When it comes to posts, which break the rules of the forum, I also believe that the offending post should either be, wholly or partially deleted, but, importantly, a note to that effect should be left by the moderator explaining his actions and saying under what rule the post has been deleted, or partially deleted, so that members can follow what has happened.

By way of background information, I was a civil servant, a tax official, for most of my working life. My job was to enforce the Taxes Acts in the UK. It is a job that requires the holder of the office to carry out his/her work impartially, justly, reasonably and without fear or favour. If we did not behave as I have described, we all knew that our actions could be challenged on appeal before tribunals, in the courts, or by complaint to an ombudsman or the taxpayer s elected representative. I therefore fully understand that being neutral, being fair and impartial to all sides on a forum like ours is not especially easy and certainly not for the faint hearted. The role of moderator was not described as a poisoned chalice, on more than one occasion, for nothing! Lol!

But, yet again, I say if you are a major player on this forum who holds strong opinions and likes to express those opinions, uses intemperate language and is not prepared to moderate your behaviour/language during your period of office as a moderator, then the job of moderator is not, in my opinion, for you.

And lastly, while I am here, may I say what a pleasure it is to see Joe552 back posting again. I hope all goes well Joe, during your trip to Thailand next year. Right, I think I have said way too much and will resume posting again when I return to Thailand in mid-January.

[scottish-guy]

OMFG - I come back from work and this is still going on to any extent?

Now the dust has at least partially settled, it's clear our esteemed moderators either have no moderation policies to follow or if they have such policies then they don't all interpret them the same way.

Whilst a447 and Christian are both reasonable, Head Judge Len makes it up as he goes along and when caught out doing so, he cannot take any criticism at all and lashes out like a petulant child - which is a bit of a handicap when your "job" relies on you being seen as even-handed and reasonable.

Hopefully they can now all agree amongst themselves that the libelous content posted about Newalaan should have been deleted/moved immediately it was spotted. Even though Newalaan and I do not see eye to eye (understatement), I still do not like to see that sort of shit thrown around.

Instead of that happening it was still there when I originally responded to this thread (if it hadn't still been there, I wouldn't have known what SameBB had said, would I?)

[Moses]

scottish-guy ​this thread is about new ideas how to manage newcomers or to control users who violate rules, please keep on rail

[newalaan2]

Just workable ideas.......please.

Put this thread BACK to the main forum and keep it 'live' there, pinned even, a place where some with workable ideas might see it. If you want members to see it and reply it needs to be where most log straight into. Previous owners were sticklers for every single thread being in exactly where they thought it should be, .e.g a general discussion about the forum should be immediately moved to 'forum feedback' when in actual fact the topic was relevant enough to remain on the main page until discussion ebbs away... perhaps then 'park it' in one of sub-forums.

As for banter and wildly off topic shit, I liked it best when all that litter was moved to the flaming forum, 'jinks' was pretty good at splitting threads and moving the way off-topic stuff, inane banter and 'in-jokes' between 3-4 forum regulars to the flaming forum, and that included some that I was active in and happy to see tidied out of the main forum, because that is where previous contributors come to read and then decide if worth contributing to a thread or starting a new one. Not everyone has hours in the day to wade through tons of litter to get to some interesting/relevant content and try to get some traction/momentum.

There was a comment from Arsenal recently which he declared the forum was as busy as ever...yes but with what exactly? just inane nonsense, in-jokes, banter, utter rubbish and irrelevant off topic crap. Six regulars blathering back and fore with multiple nonsensical posts is NOT a busy forum, a busy forum is one where a WIDE RANGE of posters in numbers come and contribute. The occasional comment, and moving a thread off topic to a similar or relevant side topic is fine and natural, but not the cliquy drivel which has littered this forum for months.

Why don't some of you ask those you know who sit on the sidelines only reading not contributing, or previous contributors who don't bother why they don't contribute? The answer will be because it's simply not worth the effort to post or start a thread and have it derailed into a mish mash of one-liners...and it needs to be said 90% of these one-liners are not funny, not in the slightest bit amusing. Banter back and fore, for EVERYONE else not part of the clique it's just downright fucking boring, and a useless waste of time clicking on.

When moses partly took over I was hopeful, when he took over completely and we were rid of surfcrest who RUINED the whole point and basis of SGT's reason-to-be, it's different-from-the-crowd edgyness in favour of a bland, integrated 'community' simply aping gaybutton and gaythailand, I was more hopeful it might get back to that edgy, interesting, information-central smiles set up which spike and neal (for the first half of his ownership) continued with successfully. I realise now the full value of jinks who put in the hours to keep the forum problem free as moderator.

I don't personally think moderators should/need to bee seen or heard except in extreme situations where a post which is problematic for the forum or owner needs to be addressed. Then a short explanation on the post and why it's been moved/deleted is all it needs. Quoting forum rules to the long serving members here is a total waste of space, for crying out loud....who gives a fuck about 'rules' made up when the forum was conceived? we all know what is acceptable and what is not. My red line is anything deemed to cause problems for the forum/owner or a threat so outrageous it needs to be taken seriously. Not the waffle and blatherings from nonentities like samebb, it's all yakkety-yak....jibber-jabber, witterings of toothless cretins who have decided they are 'somebody' and bark away with their gummy gobs. That stuff just needs to be parked out of the main forum.

Banning? For what purpose? Surfcrest was deluded into thinking he was banning and warning real people, they were in fact merely 'handles'....meaningless nom de plumes, for which the banned individual only need set up a 'another' to continue. I've had about 8 different handles over on gaybutton as on occasion when truths have been told, the handle was banned, more out of vindictive sulkiness than anything else. What? challenge gaybutton? begone!

MY IDEA.
Resurrect the FLAMING FORUM again and sweep all the garbage littering the main forum into there! Sorry, was rambling on only to realise at the end the new 'members control' thing was the real topic. So let any new members post as they wish and be subject to same as everyone else, and when they post garbage Mickp-style sweep the lot into the flaming forum. Keep the MAIN forum litter-free and many will return.

Also this stops sensitive creatures from sending multiple PMs to complain about this argument and that comment, when all they need do to avoid....is avoid clicking on to the Flaming Forum. Neal told me that these petty complaints 10 times a day was the start of his losing patience with the board. What started out as an ego massaging centre of attention 'toy' soon became one long headache.

[Moses]

MY IDEA.
Resurrect the FLAMING FORUM again and sweep all the garbage littering the main forum into there! Sorry, was rambling on only to realise at the end the new 'members control' thing was the real topic. So let any new members post as they wish and be subject to same as everyone else, and when they post garbage Mickp-style sweep the lot into the flaming forum. Keep the MAIN forum litter-free and many will return.

have you seen Holding Room sub-forum?